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Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations

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The author calls out med students for approaching physics through rote memorization. It reminds me of an experience my older brother and I had with a doctor friend.

Our friend, an OB/GYN, mentioned how hard her work is, because "the average baby is born at 3am."

We laughed, but then my brother asked, "What does 'average' mean when you have a 24-hour clock? It must mean the modal time or something like that."

I contributed that this is an issue in defining average wind directions, as well. The basic problem is that if you record times on a 0-24 hour scale, or wind directions on a 0-360 degree scale, and then naively average the numbers, you get meaningless results (for example, 180 degrees if the wind steadily rotates through every point of the compass).

A quick glance at our doctor friend showed she had checked out of the conversation entirely. Possibly she just felt slighted that we were not bowing down in awe at the terrible hours she keeps. But my main impression was that she lives in a world where one receives a piece of information, notes it, and stores it away. And when repeating that received information, one's listeners duly note and store it away.

Chasing down the source of the information, calling it into question, relating it to other things in the world-- these just weren't things she seemed to find pleasurable.

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations

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post #3

I think Michael Williams (third comment) has the right idea when he says "I’m sure you can find plenty of physicists saying spectacularly naive things about medicine...". Of course OP's discovery is amusing - even alarming - but approaching it with an air of condescension won't do much to advance either field.

Calculus is taught in high school and expected to be basic knowledge for any physician, even if they don't use it often, and especially so for researchers. Calculus is fair game on their admissions exam, even! On the other hand, there's never an expectation that physicists know medicine.

Calculus is not taught to everyone in high school. Many students only make it as far as precalculus and many more, even if they take calculus in high school do not learn integration. At the college level, many biology students do not take calculus. As far as calculus being a requirement for entrance into med school, in many cases I am afraid you are incorrect.

http://www.cse.emory.edu/sciencenet/additional_math_reqs.pdf

Most pre-meds do not have the time in their undergraduate careers to take a two semester series in calculus, especially if they need to also take remedial courses such as precalculus first, and many do.

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations

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I'm a doctor who majored in physics, and I agree with this post. Watching these folks come up with formulas in physiology was excruciating. People get their names on things that physicists wouldn't even bother noticing as something other than a single step in a derivation. Hacker News and Python have been come my group therapy and secret addiction, respectively.

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations

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I'd laugh a lot harder when people struggle for days and then reach a half-assed piece of some algorithm that's completely well know if I hadn't been there a dozen times myself. Programmers are especially vulnerable to this. Who hasn't made a 4 page case statement when 3 lines of recursion would have done it, especially when starting out? Then again, I've never named my case statements after myself. No matter how bri…

> 4 page case statement when 3 lines of recursion would have done it

I just so happen to be starting out. Do you mean generating cases like "prefix-[i+1]” ?

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations

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For my next New England Journal paper, I'm going to use a random number generator to simulate whether conditional, probabilistic health outcomes occurred or not. I'll cycle through this thousands of times to obtain stable estimates, and then call this the Monte Carbocation method.

good luck with that.

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations

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The author calls out med students for approaching physics through rote memorization. It reminds me of an experience my older brother and I had with a doctor friend. Our friend, an OB/GYN, mentioned how hard her work is, because "the average baby is born at 3am." We laughed, but then my brother asked, "What does 'average' mean when you have a 24-hour clock? It must mean the modal time or something like that." I contri…

Unless you're House, apparently. I've always wondered how accurate that show really is...

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations

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My brother is a medical researcher. Much of his work involves statistics, but he's never taken a statistics course nor read an intro book. So a lot of his results are just basic high school stats and pretty graphs, nothing deeper. It would be funny if it weren't medicine.

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations

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For my next New England Journal paper, I'm going to use a random number generator to simulate whether conditional, probabilistic health outcomes occurred or not. I'll cycle through this thousands of times to obtain stable estimates, and then call this the Monte Carbocation method.

Incidentally, you'll also be able to use this technique to determine the area under a curve! Let's patent it together and get rich!

Re: Medical researcher discovers integration, gets 75 citations

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The author calls out med students for approaching physics through rote memorization. It reminds me of an experience my older brother and I had with a doctor friend. Our friend, an OB/GYN, mentioned how hard her work is, because "the average baby is born at 3am." We laughed, but then my brother asked, "What does 'average' mean when you have a 24-hour clock? It must mean the modal time or something like that." I contri…

The charitable interpretation (for your OB friend) is that she was not speaking literally, and got bored when you started perseverating on her hyperbole. The more likely explanation is that your analysis is indeed correct.
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