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Re: Atom 1.36

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Post by breatheoften »

xrd wrote: post #8
wakeywakeywakey wrote: post #2

Prediction: I believe eventually MS will kill Atom or let development languish. People will complain that "MS is evil" and "look who they were in the past" and so on, but devs will go where the features are. VS Code is one of the finest examples of open source Done Right™, and while it owes something to Atom and Electron, this is pure open source darwinism.

Can anyone who has stayed with Atom after evaluating VSCode comment on why to stay with Atom? I switched to VSCode and would never consider going back to Atom at this point. Since the GitHub acquisition, it makes no sense for MS to maintain both and I agree 100% with the parent comment that this will be killed soon.

I switched from Atom to VSCode (rather enthusiastically). My biggest loss is the find/replace interface from atom -- it was _such_ a nice interface -- so fast to browse over all the matching contexts and replace piece by piece or all at once.

Atom's find/replace interface was the favorite version of the feature I've used in any editor -- would be cool to see how that design evolved to support other kinds of automated edits (like refactorings).

Re: Atom 1.36

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Post by PascLeRasc »

xrd wrote: post #8
wakeywakeywakey wrote: post #2

Prediction: I believe eventually MS will kill Atom or let development languish. People will complain that "MS is evil" and "look who they were in the past" and so on, but devs will go where the features are. VS Code is one of the finest examples of open source Done Right™, and while it owes something to Atom and Electron, this is pure open source darwinism.

Can anyone who has stayed with Atom after evaluating VSCode comment on why to stay with Atom? I switched to VSCode and would never consider going back to Atom at this point. Since the GitHub acquisition, it makes no sense for MS to maintain both and I agree 100% with the parent comment that this will be killed soon.

Personally I strongly prefer the UI of Atom, especially the iconography, settings menu, and visual layout. VS Code has a lot of extra features it shows by default that for me are just distracting. I love zen mode in Atom and the package ecosystem has been fantastic for me. Teletype is a killer feature, it's such a joy to use and makes me feel like I'm in the future. I've seen a lot of complaints about typing latency but I haven't noticed a difference between Atom and Sublime on either my OS X laptop or my work PC.

I also have a massive personal bias against Microsoft, so take this with a grain of salt.

Re: Atom 1.36

#23

Post by aashcan »

xrd wrote: post #8
wakeywakeywakey wrote: post #2

Prediction: I believe eventually MS will kill Atom or let development languish. People will complain that "MS is evil" and "look who they were in the past" and so on, but devs will go where the features are. VS Code is one of the finest examples of open source Done Right™, and while it owes something to Atom and Electron, this is pure open source darwinism.

Can anyone who has stayed with Atom after evaluating VSCode comment on why to stay with Atom? I switched to VSCode and would never consider going back to Atom at this point. Since the GitHub acquisition, it makes no sense for MS to maintain both and I agree 100% with the parent comment that this will be killed soon.

Still stick with Atom as my main text/code editor here. I started out with it mainly to write LaTeX, but since do most of my code editing also in Atom. I looked at VSCode back in '17 but found it quite clunky and not as intuitive as Atom. Things like changing key-binding based on a profile for example needs a quick Google - or maybe I am just slow!

I keep going back now and then to VS Code especially when I need to use the debugger to step through some code. But otherwise, my workflow since has evolved around the little niggles of Atom(like having to open separate terminal windows) so I don't feel the need to switch.

Re: Atom 1.36

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Post by guessmyname »

elbrian wrote: post #14

While Atom was Mac-only, VSCode was eating their lunch. It's too little, too late now.

> While Atom was Mac-only, VSCode was eating their lunch. It's too little, too late now.

What do you mean? Atom has always been available for macOS, Windows, and Linux.

Re: Atom 1.36

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Post by citrusx »

xrd wrote: post #8
wakeywakeywakey wrote: post #2

Prediction: I believe eventually MS will kill Atom or let development languish. People will complain that "MS is evil" and "look who they were in the past" and so on, but devs will go where the features are. VS Code is one of the finest examples of open source Done Right™, and while it owes something to Atom and Electron, this is pure open source darwinism.

Can anyone who has stayed with Atom after evaluating VSCode comment on why to stay with Atom? I switched to VSCode and would never consider going back to Atom at this point. Since the GitHub acquisition, it makes no sense for MS to maintain both and I agree 100% with the parent comment that this will be killed soon.

Two things about VSC, in comparison to Atom, that are Done Wrong: 1) Extensibility. There's like a dozen times more friction involved in creating a plugin for VSC than for Atom. Atom was built to be as easy to change as a web app. They also created apm, which is sort of a clone of npm, for installing plugins. 2) Configurability. I can set personal keyboard shortcuts very easily, and in a way that's easily transportable between installations. I can create a new theme in minutes. Also, the way it handles the config for individual packages is well thought out. Plus, I can tarball my packages directory, extract it to a new machine, and it's basically ready to go with everything.

It's very possible for VSC to improve in these areas. In fact, I'd love to see an "Atom mode" that changes the UI/UX to more closely resemble Atom (and, somewhat by extension, Sublime). You laugh, but there's a reason that every editor takes a swing at a "vim mode". People get comfortable with the aesthetics of their tools.

Re: Atom 1.36

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Post by swlkr »

xrd wrote: post #8
wakeywakeywakey wrote: post #2

Prediction: I believe eventually MS will kill Atom or let development languish. People will complain that "MS is evil" and "look who they were in the past" and so on, but devs will go where the features are. VS Code is one of the finest examples of open source Done Right™, and while it owes something to Atom and Electron, this is pure open source darwinism.

Can anyone who has stayed with Atom after evaluating VSCode comment on why to stay with Atom? I switched to VSCode and would never consider going back to Atom at this point. Since the GitHub acquisition, it makes no sense for MS to maintain both and I agree 100% with the parent comment that this will be killed soon.

I still use atom over VSCode because of the UI and the extensions.

The extensions in atom seem to have quite a few more permissions to change the ui than they do in vscode.

At least for clojure development.

Re: Atom 1.36

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Post by mrspeaker »

xrd wrote: post #8
wakeywakeywakey wrote: post #2

Prediction: I believe eventually MS will kill Atom or let development languish. People will complain that "MS is evil" and "look who they were in the past" and so on, but devs will go where the features are. VS Code is one of the finest examples of open source Done Right™, and while it owes something to Atom and Electron, this is pure open source darwinism.

Can anyone who has stayed with Atom after evaluating VSCode comment on why to stay with Atom? I switched to VSCode and would never consider going back to Atom at this point. Since the GitHub acquisition, it makes no sense for MS to maintain both and I agree 100% with the parent comment that this will be killed soon.

I followed the crowd on the switch from Hot Dog Pro to Notepad++, then followed the crowd again to TextMate. Then again to Sublime Text. Then again to Atom. I installed VSCode and it took over my file extensions without asking me and I got annoyed and was going to go back to Atom, but then wondered why I was still playing this game. So I switched to Emacs.

Now I wish I did that 20 years ago!

Re: Atom 1.36

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Post by dbbk »

xrd wrote: post #8
wakeywakeywakey wrote: post #2

Prediction: I believe eventually MS will kill Atom or let development languish. People will complain that "MS is evil" and "look who they were in the past" and so on, but devs will go where the features are. VS Code is one of the finest examples of open source Done Right™, and while it owes something to Atom and Electron, this is pure open source darwinism.

Can anyone who has stayed with Atom after evaluating VSCode comment on why to stay with Atom? I switched to VSCode and would never consider going back to Atom at this point. Since the GitHub acquisition, it makes no sense for MS to maintain both and I agree 100% with the parent comment that this will be killed soon.

Atom has always 'Just Worked' for me. For my projects (which are mostly Ember and Laravel) VSCode always had some issue, something to do with import maps. It also feels more sluggish to me than Atom.

Re: Atom 1.36

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Post by ngrilly »

mrspeaker wrote: post #27
xrd wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can anyone who has stayed with Atom after evaluating VSCode comment on why to stay with Atom? I switched to VSCode and would never consider going back to Atom at this point. Since the GitHub acquisition, it makes no sense for MS to maintain both and I agree 100% with the parent comment that this will be killed soon.

I followed the crowd on the switch from Hot Dog Pro to Notepad++, then followed the crowd again to TextMate. Then again to Sublime Text. Then again to Atom. I installed VSCode and it took over my file extensions without asking me and I got annoyed and was going to go back to Atom, but then wondered why I was still playing this game. So I switched to Emacs. Now I wish I did that 20 years ago!

Why? (compared to Sublime Text, Atom and VSCode)
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