Isn't it obvious? Tinder and its lookalikes have utterly destroyed the dating market for the median male.
Explaining Sex Rate Changes
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#22My theory is that it could be related to the economy getting worse. My belief is that women are generally more likely to have sex with someone that they consider to be viable long-term reproductive partners or marriage material. Fewer men have the financial success and stability that many women are looking for in a serious relationship that would make them comfortable with routine sex.
I don't think the data supports this. The economy has gotten better since 2008 by a significant margin. The unemployment rate has dropped consistently since 2010. But that's when the rise of lack of sex seems to really kick off and it hasn't subsided as the economy improved.
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#23I honestly believe the rise of incelibacy will lead to increasing destabilization of the US. There's nothing worse for a country than a bunch of lonely angry men without jobs and without sex.
I think you're right but there are new things coming, such as VR porn, that could make the effect smaller.
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#24My theory is that it could be related to the economy getting worse. My belief is that women are generally more likely to have sex with someone that they consider to be viable long-term reproductive partners or marriage material. Fewer men have the financial success and stability that many women are looking for in a serious relationship that would make them comfortable with routine sex.
I don't think the data supports this. The economy has gotten better since 2008 by a significant margin. The unemployment rate has dropped consistently since 2010. But that's when the rise of lack of sex seems to really kick off and it hasn't subsided as the economy improved.
"Economy getting better" arguments fall into the trap of the law of averages.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
This article seems to focus on the United States, where there really isn't an imbalance.
Except that 20s-30s men are competing directly against other, college aged men. And maybe that’s enough. Edit-another pet theory is a changing climate. Cultures in drier climates tend to be more sexually conservative. A large portion of the US has been in drought conditions for decades
Colleges in the United States tend to have a female majority at the undergraduate level.
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#26As the article points out, fewer young men are having sex, but roughly the same number of young women are having sex.
I wonder if dating apps (Tinder, Bumble, etc.) are leading women to have sex with a smaller cohort of desirable men. Years ago, OkCupid noted that a small percentage of men get an overwhelming percentage of messages from women. With the rise of "swipe right, swipe left" mobile dating apps, where people choose partners based almost solely on looks and status indicators, I can imagine it's getting even more unbalanced.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not aware of any culture that encourages "widespread celibacy"–which ones are you talking about?
The only historical culture(s) with widespread non-religious celibacy among substantial portions of the population are Western European but widespread celibacy certainly existed there. It’s also a thing in the Buddhist and Hindu world but that was mostly a life stage rather than life long celibacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_marriage_patt... > The Western European marriage pattern is a family and…
Unless I'm missing something, there's nothing in your response that implies that Western Europe has widespread celibacy.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think the data supports this. The economy has gotten better since 2008 by a significant margin. The unemployment rate has dropped consistently since 2010. But that's when the rise of lack of sex seems to really kick off and it hasn't subsided as the economy improved.
"Economy getting better" arguments fall into the trap of the law of averages.
Since 2010 GDP is growing, unemployment is going down, and real wages have at least remained steady and many analysts claim it has risen. If the economy really was tied to lack of sex we should be seeing a large spike around 2008/2009 and continuing until 2010 or 2011 and then returning to normal rates by 2018.
Granted, there may be some sort of lag between economic changes and the effect on sex lives. E.g. a boyfriend loses a job in 2009, fails to find work in several years, and then gets dumped. But that seems like more of a stretch, and it seems like the pattern of less sex particularly among men is occurring even among people in age cohorts that weren't affected by the economic downturn during the end of the last decade.
Also I think you're referring to the trap of the law of averages incorrectly. The trap of the law of averages is the erroneous notion that because a random even has diverged from the average then the likelihood of it returning to the average is higher. "The coin toss came up head five times in a row, so it'll probably be tails this time" is falling into the trap of the law of averages.
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#29I honestly believe the rise of incelibacy will lead to increasing destabilization of the US. There's nothing worse for a country than a bunch of lonely angry men without jobs and without sex.
I'd be much more worried about people lacking jobs. Having a job makes one more attractive and would make one likelier to find a partner. I'm curious to see how China manages a gender imbalance.
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#30I honestly believe the rise of incelibacy will lead to increasing destabilization of the US. There's nothing worse for a country than a bunch of lonely angry men without jobs and without sex.
I think you're right but there are new things coming, such as VR porn, that could make the effect smaller.
porn is not a replacement for a relationship with a person, casual or serious.