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Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by coldtea »

1000units wrote: post #9
salex89 wrote: post #2

And increases chance of oral cancer...

Why is this downvoted? This is both absolutely true and incredibly important. It's literally a matter of life and death. edit: If you are downvoting this as an emotional reaction to something you haven't considered before, please consider calming down and examining the evidence with a rational mind. Your health and that of the people you love are at risk.

First, hardly a matter of "life and death". It merely increases still very small odds.

Second, it's not oral sex that increases the odds, it's papillomavirus, which can be transmitted through oral sex (but also through other means of sex, including kissing).

You could have oral sex with someone that doesn't have the papillomavirus as often as you want, and you wouldn't get cancer from. In fact even sticking to a single oral partner (e.g. your spouse) reduces the (already small) odds heavily, even if you're not sure whether they have HPV or not.

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by 1000units »

coldtea wrote: post #21
1000units wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this downvoted? This is both absolutely true and incredibly important. It's literally a matter of life and death. edit: If you are downvoting this as an emotional reaction to something you haven't considered before, please consider calming down and examining the evidence with a rational mind. Your health and that of the people you love are at risk.

First, hardly a matter of "life and death". It merely increases still very small odds. Second, it's not oral sex that increases the odds, it's papillomavirus, which can be transmitted through oral sex (but also through other means of sex, including kissing). You could have oral sex with someone that doesn't have the papillomavirus as often as you want, and you wouldn't get cancer from. In fact even sticking to a sing…

This is an overly simplistic, optimistic view of disease. Method of exposure matters significantly. Note how heterosexual couples virtually never have to worry about HIV, for example, if you're unfamiliar with this concept.

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by throwawaystale »

throwawaysex wrote: post #10

> via seminal fluid to oral mucosa To these people, 'oral sex' seems to mean implicitly mean a female giving and a male receiving. Typical.

It's quite obvious that that's what they're referring to. Article titles necessarily require brevity.

Anyway, flagged in 5, 4, 3, 2, ...

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by 1000units »

Why is this flagged? I feel HN has been deviating from its official charter in avoiding remotely controversial topics. This is a medical research article from a reputable journal. If we can't discuss something like this, I'm looking for a new forum.

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by seba_dos1 »

1000units wrote: post #22
coldtea wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, hardly a matter of "life and death". It merely increases still very small odds. Second, it's not oral sex that increases the odds, it's papillomavirus, which can be transmitted through oral sex (but also through other means of sex, including kissing). You could have oral sex with someone that doesn't have the papillomavirus as often as you want, and you wouldn't get cancer from. In fact even sticking to a sing…

This is an overly simplistic, optimistic view of disease. Method of exposure matters significantly. Note how heterosexual couples virtually never have to worry about HIV, for example, if you're unfamiliar with this concept.

> Note how heterosexual couples virtually never have to worry about HIV

I think you may be in for some bad news.

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by the_fonz »

konschubert wrote: post #5

Isn’t that just a correlation that they discovered? Aren’t there thousands of hidden variables that could explain this correlation without a causal relationship? Isn’t that a pretty weak p Value ? I just read the abstract and might have mis-interpreted it. But on a first glance this looks like an April fools joke.

I wonder about the causal link/s. Speculating, maybe less stressed/anxious/depressed and healthier people have more fun, better genes or have more resources to have better healthcare? Also, less stressed mothers seem inherently more likely to bring a child to term than a stressed mom-to-be because IIRC stress induces both labor or spontaneous abortion. Maybe there's a MHC or other immune component that leads to stronger attraction and/or healthier babies? There was a dating startup in the late 90's that promised to match people on MHC, but I'm not sure how far they got on that.... maybe AI/deep learning trained on a big enough SNPs samples and qualitative mutual attractiveness rating could tackle it these days.

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by astura »

xutopia wrote: post #13
1000units wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this downvoted? This is both absolutely true and incredibly important. It's literally a matter of life and death. edit: If you are downvoting this as an emotional reaction to something you haven't considered before, please consider calming down and examining the evidence with a rational mind. Your health and that of the people you love are at risk.

If you are worried about it get the Gardasil vaccine. It is 600$ in my country and I got it out of pocket because I think it's a great idea for anyone mildly active sexually.

Gardasil is only effective if you haven't been exposed to HPV yet, so excellent for young people, less effective in preventing cancer for older people.

It also doesn't prevent all strains of HPV.

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by coldtea »

1000units wrote: post #22
coldtea wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, hardly a matter of "life and death". It merely increases still very small odds. Second, it's not oral sex that increases the odds, it's papillomavirus, which can be transmitted through oral sex (but also through other means of sex, including kissing). You could have oral sex with someone that doesn't have the papillomavirus as often as you want, and you wouldn't get cancer from. In fact even sticking to a sing…

This is an overly simplistic, optimistic view of disease. Method of exposure matters significantly. Note how heterosexual couples virtually never have to worry about HIV, for example, if you're unfamiliar with this concept.

>Note how heterosexual couples virtually never have to worry about HIV, for example, if you're unfamiliar with this concept.

Yeah, that's not how HIV (or heterosexual couples) work...

Re: Oral sex is associated with reduced incidence of recurrent miscarriage

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Post by 1000units »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #26
1000units wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an overly simplistic, optimistic view of disease. Method of exposure matters significantly. Note how heterosexual couples virtually never have to worry about HIV, for example, if you're unfamiliar with this concept.

> Note how heterosexual couples virtually never have to worry about HIV I think you may be in for some bad news.

Please elaborate if you have the opportunity.

How many strictly heterosexual couples have been infected with HIV in the history of mankind? I'm aware there must be some due to IV drug abuse.

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