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Raster CRT Typography According to DEC

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Re: Raster CRT Typography According to DEC

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Fantastic. My favourite terminal I worked on was the amber-colored vt320 hooked to a sun box and sometimes to an sgi. There was something special to it, even 'back in the day'.

Truth - the only problem with those old terminals was the keyboard. They tended to not have the control key or ESC key (DEC terminals) in a nice spot.

Re: Raster CRT Typography According to DEC

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We need the VT52 experience: relay clicks as you type.

Some of IBM's mainframe terminals used a solenoid which would hit the side of the keyboard's case to indicate that a key-press was successfuly registered. This was in addition to the well documented clicking noise of IBM's keyboard switches.

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On an unrelated note, I wish somebody made a modern portable and low-power hardware terminal. Something with eInk, or maybe even reflective LCD, like those old "electronic organizers", but with a full-size screen. If it can do serial and serial-over-USB, that can come in handy with headless boxes, RPi etc.

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post #16

Reminds me a bit of a weekend project I did a few years back: When I was about 6, my dad went out and bought what would be the family computer for half a decade, a TI-99/4a. The thing that stuck in my craw was that even though Apple and Commodore had mastered the lowercase Latin font, the lowercase letters on the TI were just tiny uppercase ones. So flash forward 25 years or so, and I'd downloaded a TI-99 emulator to…

I don't know either, however TI at the time also produced the "Silent 700" terminal series and it had the same font (all essentially upper case characters just some larger and some smaller.

Perhaps it was an early example of the DRY mantra being applied incorrectly.

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post #22

We need the VT52 experience: relay clicks as you type.

Some of IBM's mainframe terminals used a solenoid which would hit the side of the keyboard's case to indicate that a key-press was successfuly registered. This was in addition to the well documented clicking noise of IBM's keyboard switches.

IIRC original 3270 keyboard had solenoid that physically prevented user from pressing any key when the terminal was busy and would not be able to register the key press.

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post #25
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of IBM's mainframe terminals used a solenoid which would hit the side of the keyboard's case to indicate that a key-press was successfuly registered. This was in addition to the well documented clicking noise of IBM's keyboard switches.

IIRC original 3270 keyboard had solenoid that physically prevented user from pressing any key when the terminal was busy and would not be able to register the key press.

The solenoid on the one which I have (a 3278 keyboard) is separate to the keys. It is true that the solenoid will not operate when the terminal is unable to accept any key press, but it does not impede the operation of the keys themselves.

To the best of my knowledge, the only IBM keyboards that could flat out prevent the keys from being pressed were ones based on the Selectric typewriter mechanism, such as the 2741

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post #16

Reminds me a bit of a weekend project I did a few years back: When I was about 6, my dad went out and bought what would be the family computer for half a decade, a TI-99/4a. The thing that stuck in my craw was that even though Apple and Commodore had mastered the lowercase Latin font, the lowercase letters on the TI were just tiny uppercase ones. So flash forward 25 years or so, and I'd downloaded a TI-99 emulator to…

I don't know either, however TI at the time also produced the "Silent 700" terminal series and it had the same font (all essentially upper case characters just some larger and some smaller. Perhaps it was an early example of the DRY mantra being applied incorrectly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_caps

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post #11

this is great! I'm a regular user of the glasstty font + the 'tritty'[1] utility which emulates serial line I/O to create the 'true unix terminal' experience. Looking forward to the next post! ps: improved smeary-220 font would be great :b .. [1] https://github.com/sjmulder/trickle

I'm not sure that all the smearing and blur is historically accurate for vt220. I still have Wyse WY-150 (IIRC) on my desk and while it has somewhat poor contrast (which seems to be mainly caused by worn out contrast pot, I gotta fix that someday), it has exceptionally crisp display. I remember the same "crispness" feeling from various amber phosphor MDA monitors.

Re: Raster CRT Typography According to DEC

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post #5

Interesting post. From my work on 1980s micros that used CRT TVs for display, the phosphor response described here seems to be a bit oversimplified. In my purely subjective experience, rise time seems to be shorter than fall time - pixels will usually be visibly blurred on the trailing (right) edge, but sharper on the leading (left) edge. Another thing I noticed is that a longer horizontal row of pixels will leave a…

I'm not sure this is a consequence of the phosphors. It looks to me like this is an effect of how quickly the electron gun turns on and off. I would expect the horizontal sweep rate to be unaffected by whether pixels are supposed to be on or off, so the blurring at the left edge is determined by how quickly the beam ramps up to full current when turned on, and the blurring at the right edge is determined by how quickly the beam current is switched off.

The slow decay of the phosphors is on an entirely different timescale: more on the order of the time taken to refresh the entire screen, rather than the time taken for the e-beam to sweep across a single pixel. The asymmetry in the phosphor's activation vs decay is vastly greater than the asymmetry in the electron gun's switching on and off.

Re: Raster CRT Typography According to DEC

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post #16

Reminds me a bit of a weekend project I did a few years back: When I was about 6, my dad went out and bought what would be the family computer for half a decade, a TI-99/4a. The thing that stuck in my craw was that even though Apple and Commodore had mastered the lowercase Latin font, the lowercase letters on the TI were just tiny uppercase ones. So flash forward 25 years or so, and I'd downloaded a TI-99 emulator to…

Some people prefer smallcaps over lower case letters when the font matrix is too small for descenders on letters like j, q and p. If you're limited in pixels, those have to be pushed up and they look odd.

It appears to be a 5x7 font, which would mean little room to work in.

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