Anybody who thinks that Kubernetes can be compared to AWS has absolutely no idea what these things are.
‘AWS vs. K8s’ Is the New ‘Windows vs. Linux’
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#22Let's not forget that Google wanted/wants a piece of the IaaS/PaaS pie and AWS has a huge first mover advantage. Someone smart at Google said: "Hey we have this barely usable, rocket-science level complex, container orchestration tool. How about we make it available to everyone and make sure the message is that you can deploy anywhere? Get people to look at us as an alternative instead of AWS as the default, while us…
This is a pretty good read on Google's strategy for dealing with AWS - https://stratechery.com/2016/how-google-cloud-platform-is-ch...
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like this is quite a cynical view. Amazon and other cloud providers want to attract and keep users by providing the best product possible. This may come in different forms so some people want easy-to-setup databases (AWS RDS) others want auth (IAM) handled for them, others scalability (Appengine) or maybe email (SES). In order to create these services and to make life easier for those who want them, it may req…
What stops Google from open sourcing Datastore, or AWS from open sourcing dynamoDB? These cloud providers with proprietary services are the new Oracle. They are actually worse than Oracle b/c they can cut off your access to your database in seconds. Google open sourced k8 so that they can get a pie from AWS and then lock you in with other proprietary services.
> What stops Google from open sourcing Datastore, or AWS from open sourcing dynamoDB?
They have invested millions into creating cloud software. If they open source it, what is stopping other firms from taking that software and creating their own cloud offering?
Would you work for free? Would you open source all the work you have done?
Re: ‘AWS vs. K8s’ Is the New ‘Windows vs. Linux’
#24I disagree. The only reason for AWS slow adoption of Kubernetes was because they couldn't find a strong use-case within their customer base. Customers knew they wanted to use it, but they really didn't know how or why it would be better than using other type of container architecture. AWS doesn't build services for customers to toy around. Every new service is a significant investment so the data and the use cases ne…
Bollocks! AWS has had few horses(i.e aws ECS) in this race so they waited to see if they can win. Obviously K8 wins over ECS so now they have no choice but embrace K8. The last thing Amazon wants is to be easy replaceable with a different provider. I guess this is same with the underdogs as well(i.e Google/Microsoft) and that's why they do all they can to lock you in with proprietary services(i.e Appengine, Datastore…
AWS no other choice? I am not sure if you are following what AWS does (like for example the MongoDB story).
>> The last thing Amazon wants is to be easy replaceable with a different provider. I guess this is same with the underdogs as well(i.e Google/Microsoft) and that's why they do all they can to lock you in with proprietary services(i.e Appengine, Datastore etc).
Datastore has S3 API and it is trivial to replace it with other products.
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#25Because it's a waste of time?
In my the same way I spent years of my life thinking about 'the desktop' when the desktop was about to get killed by mobile, arguing about MicroVMs vs containers is useless: they're just somewhere to run functions.
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#26I'm not really following, perhaps it's too early here. AWS is a cloud provider, Kubernetes is container orchestration software. Here's a crazy thing, we do K8S on AWS.
Exactly! This looks like an apples vs. oranges comparison.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like this is quite a cynical view. Amazon and other cloud providers want to attract and keep users by providing the best product possible. This may come in different forms so some people want easy-to-setup databases (AWS RDS) others want auth (IAM) handled for them, others scalability (Appengine) or maybe email (SES). In order to create these services and to make life easier for those who want them, it may req…
> They would love some lock-in but it is not at the forefront of their minds when creating a service. I really find that assertion hard to believe. AWS is notoriously expensive and oddly enough its added value comes in the form of proprietary technologies which require non-transferable tech skills. The lock-in overload goes to the extreme of leading technicians to specialize exclusively in AWS services which leads to…
I feel like often people want to have their cake and eat it. As in they want both freedom to switch services easily and easy-of-use. What I am saying is that ease-of-use sometimes comes at a cost and that cost is lock-in.
No one is forcing you to use AWS. You could build your own private cloud datacenter, implement OpenStack, configure k8 and deploy your docker containers. If a server fails, replace it. Install your updates etc. To me that sounds like a lot of work (assuming I don't have a large organisation behind me) and I would rather have some of that setup for me. It's a trade-off...
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#28Inaccurate analogy. Container based compute is a very small part of the AWS ecosystem. You are missing the bigger picture. Companies are migrating to AWS for end to end managed infrastructure including directory services, databases (sql and non sql), managed ETL pipeline infrastructure, batch processes, backups, data processing and analytics at scale, high durability storage at scale, a host of mobile app services, e…
My thoughts exactly. Insofar as Kubernetes provides one abstraction (for container orchestration) it reduces lock-in and provides standardisation for just a small part of the IT landscape, and even then there are alternatives that may be more appropriate depending on the use-case (Heroku, Docker swarm mode, ECS, Fargate, serverless).
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#29The article forgets about Azure or GCP. I know that AWS is the most popular, but you shouldn't forget about those 2. From the article it seems like there are AWS and nothing else, which is obviously not true. And Azure is backed by Microsoft, GCP is backed by Google, so if "Bezos loses his mind" there will be other alternatives besides Kubernetes.
Re: ‘AWS vs. K8s’ Is the New ‘Windows vs. Linux’
#30The article forgets about Azure or GCP. I know that AWS is the most popular, but you shouldn't forget about those 2. From the article it seems like there are AWS and nothing else, which is obviously not true. And Azure is backed by Microsoft, GCP is backed by Google, so if "Bezos loses his mind" there will be other alternatives besides Kubernetes.
It's funny that you mention it. In the OS wars, OS X and *BSDs were also forgotten.