Why not charge tourists a special subway rate (++) and finance the repairs that way, instead of creating 'exclu$ive zones' of movement.
Tourists don't use the subway much. It's rather confusing and even scary.
Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gasoline/Petrol taxes are probably your best analog if you want people to pay in proportion to how much they're driving.
Not with the strides we've been making in fuel efficiency. An EV pays no gasoline taxes, but has similar impact on the roads to any other car. Now, EVs are a good thing... but they do expose issues with paying for transport via gas taxes.
That's fair I didn't think about EVs. For now their adoption rate is low enough that Gas Taxes are still a decent stand in (~2-4% it sounds like with quick googling). https://bnef.turtl.co/story/evo2018?teaser=true
In the future though it probably will be a bigger problem. I suppose you could add similar sales taxes to public paid charging stations, but without separately metering home charging you'll probably still miss the bulk of EV users. Either the separate metering or a mileage reporting/road tax seem like they could fairly account for EV usage though.
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#23Ambient temperature in the Herald Square station (one of the biggest) in the summer is often well over 100 degrees, humid, and stagnant, while the platforms and tracks are filthy and smell like mold and pee everywhere. During rush times, there are half the number of necessary cars so you're crammed up against strangers. There's no way to tell when the trains are coming. 5 will get you 10 this tax does nothing to improve the subway.
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#24i've lived in manhattan since 1993.
never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups with guaranteed income , i.e. bureaucracy.
having been a cyclist my wholelife, since childhood. i have no faith in the government to implement sensible policy. i have faith in them to tax more. and more , and more. uber and lyft have been DISASTERS for new york, but they were inevitable because of the disaster that was the method by which the tlc was creating artificial scarcity in the yellow tax licensing system.
and congestion pricing? no. it won't work. it wont' make the city more liveable or better. it's just a cash grab plain and simple.
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#25I'm indifferent and glad I don't live there but why not just charge what it should cost to use Public Transportation/Subways? Why look for ways to subsidize it by taxing everything else but the people who use it?
Why not tax people directly per meter of sidewalk they walk on? Why not tax them for each call they make to 911, or charge them each time they walk into a public park?
Because certain things are considered to be public goods, to greater or lesser extent, and therefore to follow the principle behind progressive taxation: that people aren't taxed by how much they use them, but that the rich pay far more in absolute terms than the poor.
The subway is the primary means of transportation that makes so much of the rest of the city possible, that it's certainly a public good to some extent. But it's also still so expensive to run, and people with cars have their own separate costs on top of it, that people don't generally feel it's fair for it to be 100% subsidized either.
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#26I'm glad to see NYC catch up to its European counterparts. This could do wonders for the air pollution inequities that exist in the city.
Seriously. This is long overdue. The city should also charge market pricing for street parking and eliminate large swaths of street parking: https://www.city-journal.org/html/high-cost-free-parking-146... , but this is a good, if tardy, start.
As a vehical owner who parks on the street in NYC, hell yes! Charge me money for parking!
It’s insane that it’s free in this city. Get cars out from parking on the streets and do something useful with that space like wider sidewalks or bike lanes!
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gasoline/Petrol taxes are probably your best analog if you want people to pay in proportion to how much they're driving.
Not with the strides we've been making in fuel efficiency. An EV pays no gasoline taxes, but has similar impact on the roads to any other car. Now, EVs are a good thing... but they do expose issues with paying for transport via gas taxes.
I heard a proposal to tax tires instead, which I suppose would let EVs and hybrids pay their fair share (although it would probably cause more cheapskates to drive around on bald tires)
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#28Ambient temperature in the Herald Square station (one of the biggest) in the summer is often well over 100 degrees, humid, and stagnant, while the platforms and tracks are filthy and smell like mold and pee everywhere. During rush times, there are half the number of necessary cars so you're crammed up against strangers. There's no way to tell when the trains are coming. 5 will get you 10 this tax does nothing to impr…
Huh?
"Though state leaders have not ironed out details, they had reached consensus on Monday that the plan was necessary to help pay for much-needed repairs to the city’s beleaguered subway system."
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#29I'm glad to see NYC catch up to its European counterparts. This could do wonders for the air pollution inequities that exist in the city.
The European counterparts give substantial discounts to motorcycles. Probably won't happen here. Port authority only gives $1 off (Why do people between say 96th and 60th not count as congestion generators? Seems like they're "gerrymandering" the neighborhoods hit by the surcharge.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seriously. This is long overdue. The city should also charge market pricing for street parking and eliminate large swaths of street parking: https://www.city-journal.org/html/high-cost-free-parking-146... , but this is a good, if tardy, start.
As a vehical owner who parks on the street in NYC, hell yes! Charge me money for parking! It’s insane that it’s free in this city. Get cars out from parking on the streets and do something useful with that space like wider sidewalks or bike lanes!
Street Parking is Theft! :) https://www.etsy.com/listing/646896312/street-parking-is-the...