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After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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Re: After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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Additional context: on March 23, 2018, a Tesla Model X, while using autopilot, drove into a barrier and killed the driver. This was fixed in a software update, but the issue seems to have resurfaced. NTSB analysis of the March 23 2018 collision: https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Pages/HW... Tesla's statement of the March 23 2018 collision: https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-last-week%E2%80%99s-accide…

Well, it wasn't really "fixed" -- the driver is still dead.

Re: After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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Scary... software developers at these robotic cars and their mistakes/bugs aren’t just going to bring down a business application(lose money) but kill their customers and innocent drivers.

Progress to where it’s safer is going to be a killer and we the drivers on the road are unwilling guinea pigs to billionaires’ dreams/goals.

Re: After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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That’s a very strange way to close a highway. Where are the blinkenlights? The words? The flashing arrows? The plastic jersey barriers? The buckets full of sand or water? The repainted lines directing you to the right? Can’t tell if this is temporary or long-term closure, but if it’s a multi month thing, I would expect more “Don’t you dare fork to the left” signalling. Not everyone is a local.

It's a lane of traffic that can go either way depending on demand. Common in larger cities in California and Washington.

Re: After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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Eventually we need the NTSB to certify updates before they are pushed out over the air. Similar to what the FAA does. These OTA updates are not ok for large machinery and endagers not only the Tesla driver but all others on the road.

I agree, but is there a way that could happen without slowing the process to a crawl? Depending on what’s involved it could easily push the gap between updates from months to years.

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Re: After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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Eventually we need the NTSB to certify updates before they are pushed out over the air. Similar to what the FAA does. These OTA updates are not ok for large machinery and endagers not only the Tesla driver but all others on the road.

I agree, but is there a way that could happen without slowing the process to a crawl? Depending on what’s involved it could easily push the gap between updates from months to years.

> I agree, but is there a way that could happen without slowing the process to a crawl?

I don't see why a more rigorous release process would slow progress down at all. All the iterations that lead to progress should be done on test vehicles, not customer vehicles.

"Move fast and break things" is a development model that should only be applied to low-importance, low-risk systems. Most software development work occurs on such systems, and I think that narrows the perspective of the software development community as a whole.

Re: After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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Since ModelX incident I have made sure not to drive on first lane. I always drive on the 2nd lane and it is much better.

For a $700 car I might consider crazy compromises, but $70k+? Absolutely not.

That's what I find so interesting with Tesla owner. They spend a fortune on a car, then they minimize every single issue they have with the car. My explanation for this is that for a lot of owners, the car is a way to be part of a hyped group more than being a utilitarian object (what a car should be).

Re: After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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That’s a very strange way to close a highway. Where are the blinkenlights? The words? The flashing arrows? The plastic jersey barriers? The buckets full of sand or water? The repainted lines directing you to the right? Can’t tell if this is temporary or long-term closure, but if it’s a multi month thing, I would expect more “Don’t you dare fork to the left” signalling. Not everyone is a local.

It's a lane of traffic that can go either way depending on demand. Common in larger cities in California and Washington.

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Re: After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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That’s a very strange way to close a highway. Where are the blinkenlights? The words? The flashing arrows? The plastic jersey barriers? The buckets full of sand or water? The repainted lines directing you to the right? Can’t tell if this is temporary or long-term closure, but if it’s a multi month thing, I would expect more “Don’t you dare fork to the left” signalling. Not everyone is a local.

Why would any of that be relevant?

Re: After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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Eventually we need the NTSB to certify updates before they are pushed out over the air. Similar to what the FAA does. These OTA updates are not ok for large machinery and endagers not only the Tesla driver but all others on the road.

Indeed. I have never understood the cheering for OTA of something that can literally kill you. Were they limited to infotainment and the useless easter eggs I would not care, however AP OTA is downright scary, especially pushed by vendor instead of being initiated by an informed user.

The AP can only kill you if you're distracted/asleep at the wheel and not paying attention. You're always in charge of driving the car appropriately, the "AP" can only provide tentative assistance of a very rough sort. It will try to guess at the control inputs you might want to provide (which does make things a bit more comfortable in the best case) but the actual control always rests with the human driver.

Re: After 6 months of working fine, Tesla software update drives at barriers again

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That’s a very strange way to close a highway. Where are the blinkenlights? The words? The flashing arrows? The plastic jersey barriers? The buckets full of sand or water? The repainted lines directing you to the right? Can’t tell if this is temporary or long-term closure, but if it’s a multi month thing, I would expect more “Don’t you dare fork to the left” signalling. Not everyone is a local.

I would think the several reflective construction signs with arrows would be enough. Also there is an impact attenuator (buckets of water). It's also cut too soon to the turn to know whether there was more signs leading up to it.
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