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15-minute writing exercise closes the gender gap in university-level physics

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Re: 15-minute writing exercise closes the gender gap in university-level physics

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like you just skipped to the graphs which showed men in the control group doing slightly better than men in the "affirmation" group. If you read the article it does not suggest that men did worse because of the affirmation excercise. These were two different groups of men, so presumably the control group happened to be a smarter bunch. Or maybe the other class took place at 8am and everybody was asleep, etc. Of…

If you read the article it does not suggest that men did worse because of the affirmation excercise. These were two different groups of men, so presumably the control group happened to be a smarter bunch. In which case we can equally well say that the women in the non-control group just happened to be a smarter bunch. Even more easily, since the sample size of women was even smaller than those of the men. If the resu…

First, the difference for each gender respectively of the scores across the control and "affirmation" groups isn't what they care about. It is the difference between gender within each group.

I can't say whether the results are statistically significant, but there are error bars on the graphs and the scientists who did the experiment seem to think the results are significant.

Re: 15-minute writing exercise closes the gender gap in university-level physics

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like you just skipped to the graphs which showed men in the control group doing slightly better than men in the "affirmation" group. If you read the article it does not suggest that men did worse because of the affirmation excercise. These were two different groups of men, so presumably the control group happened to be a smarter bunch. Or maybe the other class took place at 8am and everybody was asleep, etc. Of…

If you read the article it does not suggest that men did worse because of the affirmation excercise. These were two different groups of men, so presumably the control group happened to be a smarter bunch. In which case we can equally well say that the women in the non-control group just happened to be a smarter bunch. Even more easily, since the sample size of women was even smaller than those of the men. If the resu…

>If the results aren't statistically significant I'm not sure why they were even published.

I'm going to go with "because there's a lot of money available for people that show that women are better at science then men"; doh, I mean "more equal" of course, not better ....

Re: 15-minute writing exercise closes the gender gap in university-level physics

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post #4

Can someone who has access post the original paper? http://www.sciencemag.org/content/330/6008/1234

Here you go: http://acm.cs.northwestern.edu/site_media/Science-2010-Miyak...

According to the paper, it looks like to do best on the final exam you'd want to be a male in the control group with low gender stereotype endorsement. To do best on the Force and Motion Conceptual Evaluation, you'd want to be a female in the values affirmation group with high gender stereotype endorsement.

So basically females that think they are supposed to do poorly at physics, but affirm they are good at something, do better than ones that have no particular preconceived notion...

Re: 15-minute writing exercise closes the gender gap in university-level physics

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post #12

Odd results, with the male scores dropping , but I suspect that merely has to do with a small sample size (399 in the whole set). This makes sense, especially as a number of people I know feel stupid because they have test anxiety. My wife included. "Non-"tests such as these seem like they could help quite a few, as they have the exact same physical location as real tests, but break the trend of habitual anxiety beca…

I don't think it supports the idea that men have better control over their emotions than women. Rather, I think it illustrates the effects of stereotype anxiety. The article also mentions the same phenomenon wrt black students taking standardized tests. Although I don't have the source on hand, Malcolm Gladwell wrote a piece a few months ago reporting a similar effect in the performance of white basketball players re…

That's a good point, forgot the black student results. I take it back! Thanks :)

Re: 15-minute writing exercise closes the gender gap in university-level physics

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post #20

"Aspiring female scientists and mathematicians still have to contend with the inaccurate stereotype that men are innately better at them in their chosen fields." I wasn't aware that this had been definitively established as a myth. Last I checked, there was a gender gap. There are a lot of interpretations that wish to ascribe this to a social difference rather than a physical one. Further, this is an introductory cou…

>"Aspiring female scientists and mathematicians still have to contend with the inaccurate stereotype that men are innately better at them in their chosen fields."

I just thought more men preferred Physics.

Do women really contend with this? Is it any worse than for a man trying to be a kindergarten teacher? Do theoreticians jump online and check the sex of the author's of papers in Physics A before they'll read them - like "damn that ToE is pretty compelling with great predictive powers and a beauty akin to the Maxwell equations but, y'know, we can't let it stand it's been formulated by a woman" ...

Re: 15-minute writing exercise closes the gender gap in university-level physics

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I've always been offended that there's a gender gap when it comes to pregnancy and childbirth. Perhaps a writing exercise could be devised that would erase the horrible, oppressive and misogynistic stereotype that prevents men from becoming pregnant and giving birth. That is necessary if we are to ever achieve true equality.

(cheek <- tongue)

Re: 15-minute writing exercise closes the gender gap in university-level physics

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post #2

I remain really skeptical. If you believe this, then doing a fifteen-minute writing exercise at the start of a fifteen week course in which you "write about your values" rather than a different fifteen-minute writing exercise where you "write about other peoples values" leads you to understand introductory physics significantly better at the end, if you're a woman, or understand introductory physics significantly wor…

I wonder how these students did in their other classes? It was not even presented to the students as a physics specific event.

I am also very skeptical.

Re: 15-minute writing exercise closes the gender gap in university-level physics

#28
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here you go: http://acm.cs.northwestern.edu/site_media/Science-2010-Miyak...

According to the paper, it looks like to do best on the final exam you'd want to be a male in the control group with low gender stereotype endorsement. To do best on the Force and Motion Conceptual Evaluation, you'd want to be a female in the values affirmation group with high gender stereotype endorsement. So basically females that think they are supposed to do poorly at physics, but affirm they are good at somethin…

>So basically females that think they are supposed to do poorly at physics, but affirm they are good at something, do better than ones that have no particular preconceived notion...

So we have to tell women they're going to fail at physics because they're XX and then at the last minute say "ha ha fooled you, you're really awesome". Then we'll have a well verified strongly supported ToE by next Christmas.

Re: 15-minute writing exercise closes the gender gap in university-level physics

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post #20

"Aspiring female scientists and mathematicians still have to contend with the inaccurate stereotype that men are innately better at them in their chosen fields." I wasn't aware that this had been definitively established as a myth. Last I checked, there was a gender gap. There are a lot of interpretations that wish to ascribe this to a social difference rather than a physical one. Further, this is an introductory cou…

I am taking a class taught by the professor who wrote this book about the economics of higher education: http://www.amazon.com/Tuition-Rising-College-Costs-preface/d...

One of the more interesting things he went over from the book was the discrepancy between males and females in PhD in the hard sciences. While many claimed discrimination, what it turned out to be a slew of different issues. Except from his lecture, taken without permission:

Why Are Female Faculty Members Underrepresented at Research Universities Relative to Liberal Arts Colleges 1. Gender differences in preferences for teaching vs. research 2. Perceptions by female PhDs that research universities are not hospitable environments for them 3. Perceptions by female PhDs that there is more gender discrimination against female faculty at research universities 4. Actual gender discrimination against female PhDs in the hiring process and against female faculty in salary, tenure, promotion and resource allocation decisions at research universities 5. The difficulty of combining family and career at research universities

The remainder of my discussion is going to focus on the last explanation and discuss some policies designed to reduce these difficulties that have been implemented at the University of California. However, before doing so, I want to stress that issues relating to the conflict between family and career that professional women face are not unique to academia. For example, 1. Why are female lawyers underrepresented among the partners of large law firms? 2. Why are female doctors underrepresented among neurosurgeons and orthopedic surgeons and overrepresented among family practice physicians and pediatricians?

National Research Council Committee (that I served on) Survey In 2004-2005 the National Research Council Committee on Gender Differences in the Careers of Science, Engineering and Mathematics

Faculty surveyed departments in research universities in six disciplines – biology, chemistry, civil engineering, electrical engineering, mathematics, and physics. A second survey surveyed over 1,800 faculty in these departments. Among its major findings were: 1. If a male and a female apply for the a position, the female is more likely to be invited for an interview 2. If a male and female are both interviewed for a position, the female is more likely to receive the job offer. Hence 3. Female under representation relative to their share of the new PhD pool is due primarily to their not applying for jobs at research universities as often as males do. Furthermore 4. Female assistant professors in these fields are more likely to leave their positions than their male colleagues prior to being considered for tenure. Given that they are considered for tenure, they are more likely to be promoted and receive tenure than their male colleagues, but their average time until receiving tenure is longer than their male colleagues’ average time 5. There were no differences in the probabilities of being promoted to full professor or the time it took to receive this promotion. Source: National Research Council, Gender Differences at Critical Transitions in the Careers of Science, Engineering and Mathematics Faculty (Washington DC: National Academy Press, 2009)

/end quote Granted, this does not directly apply to top scientists but I think many of you would agree that the fact that the volume of highly trained (read: PhD.) women scientists is significantly lower than that of men probably leads, in part, to the discrepancy among top scientists.

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