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Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

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Re: Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

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But I like eggs damnit. Edit 1. My comment was made on a submission, which I did not think would gain much notice. Oops. Low quality comment to the fore! Edit 2. Really though, I eat a couple of eggs a day. I should scale it back anyway, as a hedge, and eat non-traditional (In USA) breakfasts, like rice and beans.

How many times have they flip-flopped back and forth on eggs alone? It's easy to get the impression that the people running these studies are either biased or simply don't know what they're doing.

Beyond the prevalent bias, nutritional science is just hard. I doubt we'll ever really get a handle on it.

It isn't ethical to lock people up and feed them a steady diet of something we might thing is going to cause them to develop some disease. So we have to rely on mostly self-reported data collected over extended periods of time.

That being said, I think the first pushback against eggs had to do with their high amounts of cholesterol. It was original assumed that dietary cholesterol intake was related to blood cholesterol levels. Which is something we now know to be false.

However, eggs are very high in saturated fats. The American Heart Associate still recommends that these be limited (from all sources) because there is a good deal of evidence that saturated fat intake contributes to elevated LDL cholesterol.

I generally trust AHA recommendations, but they are not free from bias, as they have food companies as "corporate supporters."

Re: Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

#22
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why low carb?

Carbs = Sugar. Period, end of story. The key to good body composition is a high protein, low carb (low sugar) diet. Avoid foods that spike insulin. Anything else is hogwash, because calories are not calories.

And before I get someone saying "just run at an 'energy deficit' - consume less calories than you burn" - I say, if you want to look and FEEL good, the person who eats 1,500 calories a day of carbohydrates vs 1,500 calories a day of protein, vegetables (carbohydrates largely bound by fiber), etc - will look and feel vastly different. This is why it's not just as simple as calories in - calories out.

Re: Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

#23
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why low carb?

Carbs = Sugar. Period, end of story. The key to good body composition is a high protein, low carb (low sugar) diet. Avoid foods that spike insulin. Anything else is hogwash, because calories are not calories.

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Re: Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

#24

Amid the neverending diet controversy it seems safest to do low carb (non-keto), medium high-quality fat of which a majority is monounsaturated, medium protein - and be aware not to reduce saturated fat too much as it's not that scary after all, but also don't go overboard like some of the somewhat extreme saturated fat advocates that have appeared in the last few years.

Where's the controversy? Virtually every nation's broad dietary recommendations are the same, and are largely unchanged over the last 100 years. There are individual studies about specific foods (like eggs, butters, trans fats, etc) that have some turbulence. But "Eat whole grains, legumes, vegetables, greens, and fruits. Limit meats, saturated fats, sugars, and processed foods." is pretty much only disputed by bro-science and a handful of carefully cherry-picked studies.

Re: Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

#25
post #13

Amid the neverending diet controversy it seems safest to do low carb (non-keto), medium high-quality fat of which a majority is monounsaturated, medium protein - and be aware not to reduce saturated fat too much as it's not that scary after all, but also don't go overboard like some of the somewhat extreme saturated fat advocates that have appeared in the last few years.

Why low carb?

Because metabolic insulinemia is out of control these days and I find the keto people's studies quite convincing (look into Ivor Cummins' presentations on YouTube), in addition to hearing similar points of view even in some anti-keto diets. It seems pretty likely to me that sugar is very easy for us to over-consume in modern lifestyles.

Less convincing to me is the full-on keto diet itself. It's great that it exists as it started an excellent conversation on diet, but I rule it out because most cultures' dietary staples have been starchy carbs.

The problem imho is:

- It's too easy to overconsume carbs in modern lifestyles, and some of the carbs we consume spike our insulin too much (certain GMO crops in particular).

- It's too easy to consume non-whole-food carbs. Whole foods come with things that reduce the metabolic burden of eating them (fiber, antinutrients like phytates, antioxidants).

- The people who subsisted on carb-based staple foods led significantly more active lifestyles in the past than most people today, and did not have the abundance of food that we do now.

Re: Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

#26
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why low carb?

Carbs = Sugar. Period, end of story. The key to good body composition is a high protein, low carb (low sugar) diet. Avoid foods that spike insulin. Anything else is hogwash, because calories are not calories.

A high protein diet can also spike insulin, it is more important to eat healthy fats.

Re: Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

#27

Amid the neverending diet controversy it seems safest to do low carb (non-keto), medium high-quality fat of which a majority is monounsaturated, medium protein - and be aware not to reduce saturated fat too much as it's not that scary after all, but also don't go overboard like some of the somewhat extreme saturated fat advocates that have appeared in the last few years.

Where's the controversy? Virtually every nation's broad dietary recommendations are the same, and are largely unchanged over the last 100 years. There are individual studies about specific foods (like eggs, butters, trans fats, etc) that have some turbulence. But "Eat whole grains, legumes, vegetables, greens, and fruits. Limit meats, saturated fats, sugars, and processed foods." is pretty much only disputed by bro-s…

Most national dietary guidelines seem to be fairly high in carbs imho.

There is a huge debate currently, between government endorsed diets, plant-based, and keto, and each group is able to cite numerous studies that contradict the others'.

Re: Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

#28
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carbs = Sugar. Period, end of story. The key to good body composition is a high protein, low carb (low sugar) diet. Avoid foods that spike insulin. Anything else is hogwash, because calories are not calories.

How do you get fibre then?

a large number of vegetables are low carb.

Re: Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

#29
post #6

Oh great, another one of those bs self reporting nutritional studies over super long periods of time. 17.5 years and they only followed up once from what I can tell. Can you accurately report what you ate over the last 17.5 years? Even over the past week can be difficult as I realized when I started tracking my food in MyFitnessPal. Unless consistently tracking, it's pretty easy to be very far off from what you actua…

Are you suggesting that they didn't actually eat more eggs / cholesterol, but some other factor that makes people statistically significantly more likely to have CVD and die also makes people more likely to falsely report egg / cholesterol consumption?
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