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Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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Would it be surprising to see Google pivot to 5G for the tech solution? I believe their business goal is still to control the access. Anyone see a realistic unit cost analyis for 5G in urban environments at maturity?

On the fiber side, I think cities need to build the infrastructure (and are often in a position to finance via low interest rate bonds etc), and then enable any party to lease/operate/compete on that infrastructure.

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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Fiber is probably a dead end and will ultimately be replaced by 5G point-to-point transmission for the last mile.

I really can't see this happening. I really don't want to see this happen. Wired is robust. I can spit and wireless takes a dive.

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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post #6

The failure of Google Fiber paints a very bleak picture of the future of internet infrastructure, or even all communication in this country. If Google cannot compete with the status quo, who can?

They tried to lay fiber in 2in trenches instead of typical 6in trenches. Then left when it didn't work. This isn't Goliath beating David. This is David throwing a rock, missing, and going home.

Is there any particular two inch trenches were dug? Was it too expensive? Extra permits?

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They tried to lay fiber in 2in trenches instead of typical 6in trenches. Then left when it didn't work. This isn't Goliath beating David. This is David throwing a rock, missing, and going home.

I’m not sure David and Goliath is an apt metaphor when Google has a market cap 4x that of a broadband competitor Comcast.

Market cap is only relevant if both companies had a singular focus. Google isn't investing heavily into Google Fiber, and certainly not compared to Comcast.

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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When I interned at AT&T a few years ago, I asked a manager I respected whether they were worried about Google Fiber coming in and eating their lunch.

"No", he said. "We'll sue them for every mile of fiber they lay down".

I can understand why they would make that play. It's kind of the only play they have. AT&T and Verizon innovate enough to remain...okay...but they're not exactly Google. The only way they would win is to get dirty and turn fiber laying into Google's very own Stalingrad. And between starting a new, massive, low-margin (by advertising's standards), and capital-intensive business, and keeping salaries high and employees happy, Google chose the latter and bowed out because honestly, dying on this hill isn't a smart move.

I doubt Google wants to do this. Pulling out at this stage, when Fiber hadn't actually provided the "nudge" to internet speeds and throughput that would make Google and Internet companies more powerful, would not place Google at a place of negotiating strength. It makes Google look bad and cements the ISP monopolies' notion that Google pulled out because they physically can't bear the pain and so they remain safe, not because Google chose to, can do this whenever they want, and have the ISPs at their mercy. It probably also burned a few bridges, if there were bridges at all, and makes weighing favors in a (hopefully not long-term) post-net-neutrality world swing towards the other major power players like Amazon or Facebook.

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They tried to lay fiber in 2in trenches instead of typical 6in trenches. Then left when it didn't work. This isn't Goliath beating David. This is David throwing a rock, missing, and going home.

Is there any particular two inch trenches were dug? Was it too expensive? Extra permits?

If I understand your question correctly, they used 2" trenches because shallower === faster. However, they were so shallow--and the surfacing material so brittle--that the fibers ended up getting damaged too often. So they corrected with slightly deeper trenches afterwards.

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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post #6

The failure of Google Fiber paints a very bleak picture of the future of internet infrastructure, or even all communication in this country. If Google cannot compete with the status quo, who can?

They tried to lay fiber in 2in trenches instead of typical 6in trenches. Then left when it didn't work. This isn't Goliath beating David. This is David throwing a rock, missing, and going home.

Is there any technical analysis or reports available online on why the trenches didn't work ? I've always wondered if we could use our network of roads to bring internet to the doorstep by laying lines just below the road surface.

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They tried to lay fiber in 2in trenches instead of typical 6in trenches. Then left when it didn't work. This isn't Goliath beating David. This is David throwing a rock, missing, and going home.

Is there any particular two inch trenches were dug? Was it too expensive? Extra permits?

They were copying a Germen technique (curb trenching) but trying to cut costs even further[0]. Google called it an experiment.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wisrs03EkDM

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They tried to lay fiber in 2in trenches instead of typical 6in trenches. Then left when it didn't work. This isn't Goliath beating David. This is David throwing a rock, missing, and going home.

Is there any technical analysis or reports available online on why the trenches didn't work ? I've always wondered if we could use our network of roads to bring internet to the doorstep by laying lines just below the road surface.

Trenches _do_ work, but they must have a minimum depth (>20cm), not just 8cm ones like Google tried.

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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post #21

Would it be surprising to see Google pivot to 5G for the tech solution? I believe their business goal is still to control the access. Anyone see a realistic unit cost analyis for 5G in urban environments at maturity? On the fiber side, I think cities need to build the infrastructure (and are often in a position to finance via low interest rate bonds etc), and then enable any party to lease/operate/compete on that inf…

Does Google own the rights necessary to radio frequencies to do 5g? That seems like the major blocker.
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