The "new information" part is just for face saving.
Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
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Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
#22Let’s say these planes should have never been certified. What’s the financial damage to Boeing?
Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
#23They claim this is based on new "validated" satellite tracking data they received this morning showing similar altitude fluctuations to the Lion Air crash. Somehow every internet forum had this figured out within hours of the crash using public flight tracker data. I find it worrying that it took them so long to come to the obvious conclusion for lack of "validation" of widely known information, and that it took so l…
> Somehow every internet forum had this figured out within hours Rather like the identity of the Boston Bomber.
"But this time it's different" they'll say.
It may very well be different. Sometimes knee jerk reactions are right. Sometimes they are wrong. This whole thing reeks of tunnel vision but without the data from the second aircraft we don't have any way to tell tunnel vision from legitimate well reasoned decision making.
I'm in the "ground them just to be safe" camp but the way this whole thing is being conducted leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.
Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
#24Let’s say these planes should have never been certified. What’s the financial damage to Boeing?
From what I quickly skimmed online, 5000 737 Max have been ordered at about $100 millions a piece, so loss of revenue around $500 billions.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Canada is extremely tightly tied to the US economy, and the US government is still taking Boeing’s side on this. I wish this didn’t have to be about politics.
It's not just US/Canada relations. The biggest canadian aviation company has dozens of Max 8.
Air Canada have 20, about 10% of their fleet. Similar level to Norwegian. Westjet has 12 -- or 7% of their fleet.
Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
> US government is still taking Boeing’s side on this It's all fun and games until a Max 8 nosedives on US soil
It'll still be fun and games. It's just that the game will be "CYA".
The game has been "CYA" for a few days ago. Grounding the aircraft without information about the second crash is fundamentally a CYA exercise. It might be the right action to take but until we have the information we need to see if we are right or wrong it is a CYA exercise. Just because it's CYA doesn't mean it's wrong. Just because you turn out to be right later doesn't mean you didn't initially do it to CYA.
Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
#27It's very possible the "new information" may be what WSJ just reported: https://www.wsj.com/articles/pilot-of-crashed-ethiopian-airl... tldr - The pilot had reported flight-control problems and wanted to return to the airport
Non-paywall: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/13/ethiopian-airl...
> The airline is planning to send the 737 Max 8 plane’s flight data recorder to Europe rather than the US for analysis, he said.
That seems to be shocking news. Is it that they don't trust the FAA?
Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
#28They claim this is based on new "validated" satellite tracking data they received this morning showing similar altitude fluctuations to the Lion Air crash. Somehow every internet forum had this figured out within hours of the crash using public flight tracker data. I find it worrying that it took them so long to come to the obvious conclusion for lack of "validation" of widely known information, and that it took so l…
> I find it worrying that it took them so long to come to the obvious conclusion Aviation regulators and internet forums are literally at the opposite end of the spectrum with regards to jumping to conclusions.
I don't think it would be so bad if aviation regulators did jump to conclusions by erring on the side of safety.
Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
#29This goes beyond aircraft at the moment. The NTSB and America in general used to lead. Now it seems the world is going to get on without them.
The US Government is sadly conflicted. FAA claiming there is "no evidence" of this aircraft having a systemic flaw. Meanwhile:
Boeing brought $70B into Washington State's economy in one year.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeingrsquos-economic-...
Boeing is a major defense contractor, providing transportation, weapons, and other supplies to the US Military.
Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
#30Let’s say these planes should have never been certified. What’s the financial damage to Boeing?
From what I quickly skimmed online, 5000 737 Max have been ordered at about $100 millions a piece, so loss of revenue around $500 billions.
Well, unless they can fix the problem and prove they're viable again.