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Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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Not necessarily true, i know entry level engineers earning well above $100k in the Bay Area who are barely getting by because they are paying $5-$6/mo in rent alone which is post-tax.

Unless these entry level engineers have families, there's no good reason to be paying $5-6k a month for rent, you can easily find a decent place of your own for under $4k, even $3k if you're patient.

As someone living in the Midwest, those numbers are mind-boggling.

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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Come to Salt Lake City. We even have absurd branding to lure you "silicon slopes!" There are a few SF organizations with satellite offices here. I've worked for one, have friends working for others. It's a pretty decent arrangement. You can get a team setup here for the cost of a single employee in the bay (especially when you factor in real estate.) Hell, maybe more. Shit, some of us will take pay cuts to avoid work…

I love the local tech community here (general SLC area) and I've talked to enough SF -> SLC immigrants that I never want to work in Silicon Valley.

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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But the salary differential between top engineer in the Bay Area vs. top engineer in the Midwest is more like 2-3x than 10-15x.

OK, it's not 2-3x. Especially if we're talking salary. Salary for a top individual contributor engineer in the Bay Area (full stack), outside of specific skillsets like ML/AI, will top out around $200k. Midwest, someone with the same skillset would probably make $125-150k.

Total comp in Bay Area is often around $300-400K. That includes generous equity though, so may not be relevant when talking about startup salary affordability.

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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We have a distributed team in India & Silicon Valley. The market in India has changed dramatically from what’s being portrayed here. A strong VP, engg candidate is about $200k, a new grad is at least $30k and it rises rapidly as you get more senior. There are stock options on top of this.

Why is this happening? (a) Lot of companies are opening up offices in India and willing to pay higher to set up the team quickly; (b) The VC finding scenario is as crazy as it exists in Silicon Valley. SoftBank is a global firm :)

It’s not as straightforward to build a 10x engineering team in India. Sure, it’s probably cheaper than Bay Area but you need to consider the overall cost of communication, speed of process, especially for a startup.

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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Unless these entry level engineers have families, there's no good reason to be paying $5-6k a month for rent, you can easily find a decent place of your own for under $4k, even $3k if you're patient.

As someone living in the Midwest, those numbers are mind-boggling.

My 1200sqft 2 bedroom townhouse in the suburbs of Kansas City costs me $800 a month. My families 6 bedroom 5 bathroom 3 story behemoth with a pool cost $4000 a month. The thought of paying $6000 a month for what they offer you in the Bay is depressing.

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless these entry level engineers have families, there's no good reason to be paying $5-6k a month for rent, you can easily find a decent place of your own for under $4k, even $3k if you're patient.

As someone living in the Midwest, those numbers are mind-boggling.

Yeah, as a new transplants to the bay area it is mind-boggling. $1500/mo per person in a roommate situation is common. That said, my take-home pay more than made up for the rent increase. The cost for a family type living situation is truly mind-boggling.

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless these entry level engineers have families, there's no good reason to be paying $5-6k a month for rent, you can easily find a decent place of your own for under $4k, even $3k if you're patient.

As someone living in the Midwest, those numbers are mind-boggling.

yeah. I live in Minneapolis, am charging 67/hour (roughly 140k/year pre tax) and my rent is 1200/month.

my total monthly expenses are roughly 3500/month so I am able to save almost 50% of my post tax income.

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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Come to Salt Lake City. We even have absurd branding to lure you "silicon slopes!" There are a few SF organizations with satellite offices here. I've worked for one, have friends working for others. It's a pretty decent arrangement. You can get a team setup here for the cost of a single employee in the bay (especially when you factor in real estate.) Hell, maybe more. Shit, some of us will take pay cuts to avoid work…

I was about to say the same. I bet you can have your pick of the top senior engineers for 120K (most devs whose salary I've heard make less than 100K). And you'd probably get loyalty too - a lot of them don't want to go anywhere.

Re: Why we built our core engineering team outside of the SF Bay Area

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This article made me think immediately of the mythical month man. From my rather uninformed perspective - I never tried hiring in India - it would be very hard to actually screen and select well, while quantity alone is not necessarily a good thing.

Edit: fixed punctuation

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