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Evidence for man-made global warming hits 'gold standard'

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Re: Evidence for man-made global warming hits 'gold standard'

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Take two parts physics, four parts advocacy science, and two hundred parts advocacy journalism, and what do you get? In Christian circles, you get creation science. It's cute when climate scientists pretend their work is on the level of finding the Higgs boson. Advocate science is garbage.

What makes you think it's 'advocacy' science? How would climate science have to change to convince you otherwise?

All science is 'advocacy science' when you deny the conclusions.

Re: Evidence for man-made global warming hits 'gold standard'

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The transition away from the gold standard and years of living in a post-gold-standard world show that fiat is a totally reasonable system of money. I'd love to see you support or justify your claims, so we can at least debate from a basis of shared understanding and fact instead of hyperbole. Your statement is completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

If you consider the sharp upturn in divide between the rich and the poor since 1972 to be "totally reasonable".

I definitely don't! I also don't attribute that to fiat currency. I attribute that at least within the United States to "trickle-down economics," reduction of the top federal income tax rate in the US from 92% in the 1940s (and 72% in the 1970s) to 37% this year [1], and the estate tax from the high 70% range [2] in the 1970s to 0% moving forward. The reduction in the social safety net and the government services afforded to the poor over time helped prevent social mobility. Along with a simultaneous drop in union participation rates meant that labor didn't have as meaningful a way to push back against capital.

It's no surprise that wealth inequality started going up and to the right as soon as these things changed, in the years immediately following when Reagan took office (1981) [3] -- over a decade of decline after the switch from the gold standard in 1971. It's all in the graphs attached. Broadly, it's "Reaganomics" related.

By all means have at those windmills though.

tl:dr; if you let rich people keep more of their money, they have more of the money. If you simultaneously take from poor people, they stay poor. We could be on the banana standard for all it matters with this type economic policy.

[1] https://nickgogerty.typepad.com/designing_better_futures/200...

[2] https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2017/11...

[3] https://inequality.org/facts/income-inequality/

Re: Evidence for man-made global warming hits 'gold standard'

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Take two parts physics, four parts advocacy science, and two hundred parts advocacy journalism, and what do you get? In Christian circles, you get creation science. It's cute when climate scientists pretend their work is on the level of finding the Higgs boson. Advocate science is garbage.

Clearly this is a fluff piece of journalism. He said - she said. "5 sigma". Sounds great. What does it mean? 2 out of 3 satellites reported data that gave the 5 sigma conclusion by 2005, the third by 2016. Great. What does it mean? It doesn't really say, other than a 95 percent chance that global warming since 1950 is caused by humans. Somebody said they would like to notch that up to 99% chance. Another person would…

I deride it based on bad journalism AND bad science.

Not all climate science is bad, of course.

The kind that takes an RCP of 8.5 with zero chance of happening and uses it as an input to policy recommendations is bad science.

Attributing current weather extremes (hint, occurrences are non Gaussian) is bad science.

Releasing doom and gloom predictions to the media before peer review that are then ripped apart (but not covered by media) is bad science.

Re: Evidence for man-made global warming hits 'gold standard'

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Inflammatory comments with no supporting evidence are usually downvoted, irrespective of the opinion they espouse.

Except the followup inflammatory comments, of course.

I'll admit that I couldn't resist replying; such comments are usually discouraged. However, I felt that you deserved to know the reason why Hacker News downvotes comments for the off chance that you didn't know already.

Re: Evidence for man-made global warming hits 'gold standard'

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Take two parts physics, four parts advocacy science, and two hundred parts advocacy journalism, and what do you get? In Christian circles, you get creation science. It's cute when climate scientists pretend their work is on the level of finding the Higgs boson. Advocate science is garbage.

Personally, I'd like to see a financial market develop that allows people to predict future global temperatures in short, mid and long term time frames. (let's say 5 years, 10 years, 30 years). That market would reveal humanities unbiased view of climate change predictions. It would give us a great tool to put things in perspective.

Rates of retirement savings participation vs doomsday hoarding, controlled for age cohort, should get you a rough cut at it.

Re: Evidence for man-made global warming hits 'gold standard'

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Take two parts physics, four parts advocacy science, and two hundred parts advocacy journalism, and what do you get? In Christian circles, you get creation science. It's cute when climate scientists pretend their work is on the level of finding the Higgs boson. Advocate science is garbage.

I used to evaluate scientific contracts for the federal government. I was lied to on a monthly basis. Scientific fraud is not a thing of the past. It's not even rare. Karl Popper is turning over in his grave.

> Scientific fraud is not a thing of the past. It's not even rare.

Sure, but even accusations of scientific fraud require evidence to back them up. Can you provide some credible evidence to show that the majority of the scientific community is engaging in fraud?

Re: Evidence for man-made global warming hits 'gold standard'

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What makes you think it's 'advocacy' science? How would climate science have to change to convince you otherwise?

All science is 'advocacy science' when you deny the conclusions.

I deny creation science. I am a denier.

Re: Evidence for man-made global warming hits 'gold standard'

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Take two parts physics, four parts advocacy science, and two hundred parts advocacy journalism, and what do you get? In Christian circles, you get creation science. It's cute when climate scientists pretend their work is on the level of finding the Higgs boson. Advocate science is garbage.

Readers who come after, this user is not trying to argue in good faith, they are using the front page of this board to spread their fringe ideas. I recommend not engaging, logic will not convince them.

If you're interested in learning more about this why this style of argument gets used online, I recommend The Alt-Right Playbook series on YouTube.

Re: Evidence for man-made global warming hits 'gold standard'

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Clearly this is a fluff piece of journalism. He said - she said. "5 sigma". Sounds great. What does it mean? 2 out of 3 satellites reported data that gave the 5 sigma conclusion by 2005, the third by 2016. Great. What does it mean? It doesn't really say, other than a 95 percent chance that global warming since 1950 is caused by humans. Somebody said they would like to notch that up to 99% chance. Another person would…

I deride it based on bad journalism AND bad science. Not all climate science is bad, of course. The kind that takes an RCP of 8.5 with zero chance of happening and uses it as an input to policy recommendations is bad science. Attributing current weather extremes (hint, occurrences are non Gaussian) is bad science. Releasing doom and gloom predictions to the media before peer review that are then ripped apart (but not…

> Attributing current weather extremes (hint, occurrences are non Gaussian) is bad science.

I'm pretty sure the general conclusion is that, on average, the climate is warming, which makes weather extremes worse.

> Releasing doom and gloom predictions to the media before peer review that are then ripped apart (but not covered by media)

What are these predictions, and where are they being ripped apart?

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