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Re: Ask HN: Which companies are improving recruiting?

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Post by isthisnagee »

csallen wrote: post #14

I'm a huge fan of the approach KeyValues.com is taking to help engineers find companies they'd actually like to work at. A lot of sites are focused on helping companies cut through the noise to find qualified developers, which means forcing developers to "prove" themselves through various tests etc. That's useful and makes sense. But I like the idea of the opposite approach — forcing companies to qualify themselves t…

Also a huge fan of keyvalues.com. Found the company I'm currently working at through there.

I'd like to ad that As a new grad, the website helped me a lot: it gave names to ideas I had floating in my head about what I was looking for, and it made me more confident in telling companies what I wanted.

Re: Ask HN: Which companies are improving recruiting?

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Post by Zaheer »

Boxxed wrote: post #20
Zaheer wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What specific information do employees not have? I'm co-founder of https://www.Levels.fyi / https://www.Comp.fyi which we built specifically to tackle information asymmetry in the job-seeking process. Would love to get feedback on how we can expand information we collect: hello levels fyi

Personally, I never really trust any of these sites because the all claim to have good data, and yet they all report pretty wildly different salary ranges for similar jobs. I have absolutely no idea if I'm actually being paid a reasonable salary, but honestly it's something that's important to me at my current stage in my career.

Comp.fyi has over 5k self-reported salaries. Any user generated content will always have slight inaccuracy / variation though we have enough data points to generate a fairly good median figure. You can take a look at the individual submissions on the site and decide for yourself but we've heard from several folks that the salaries are more accurate than other sites.

Re: Ask HN: Which companies are improving recruiting?

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Post by dasil003 »

I've tried all manner of things, on both sides of the equation. In the end I don't think a big company can do it, and I don't think a small company can scale it. It's a classic market for lemons problem on both sides. And to make matters worse you now have massive cargo culting of Google's hiring practice across the board, leading to job interviews turning into a hugely expensive, time sucking endeavour and the signal from that style of interview steadily being eroded by massive study efforts on the part of candidates.

If you're just coming out of college then I think Triplebyte is a decent value to get your foot in the door someplace popular that looks good on a resume, but once you have some experience you run into the same problem that you get with all recruiters which is that they don't truly understand either the candidate or the role, resulting in miscommunication on both sides.

Personally I think unless you are a name brand with dozens to hundreds of applications coming in for every role every day, there is no substitute for rolling up your sleeves and doing the recruiting yourself. When candidates talk to hiring managers directly, the signal to noise ratio is an order of magnitude higher for both sides. As an engineering leader, doing hands-on sourcing is a super power with huge opportunity for arbitrage in a massively competitive market.

Re: Ask HN: Which companies are improving recruiting?

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Post by Adamantcheese »

I've used Triplebyte and Hired in the past as a candidate. Triplebyte is good only for web development positions (front or back), and Hired seems completely useless. Every time I get emails begging me to submit my resume and then immediately get rejected. Makes no sense at all.

From what other people comment here and my own opinion, the filtering that most job boards use are complete garbage. Sometimes I want to search for a keyword, but I have never seen a single search where I can exclude a keyword. Or some implied tags just aren't used to help expand or narrow search results. And also PDF resumes just aren't able to be parsed correctly, even in very simple formats. But I would never be able to tell if it was parsed correctly as an applicant for some ATS systems because there's no feedback. As far as I'm aware, digital resumes should be in more use, but every ATS requires a new account and inputting the same information. Even when the company board listing is provided by the same company as another board listing! Workday is one example of that and it's infuriating!

And then there's the whole problem of HR people putting out the job listings. The horrible inaccuracy of some of them makes it really confusing as to what a company is actually looking for and if I would be a good fit.

Basically, I can't find what I want, I don't know what's happening, and I don't know what you want. And the best way to solve all of those is to 1) make better search tools, 2) give me more feedback and tell me when things go wrong instead of rejecting me outright for a software error, and 3) have the person in charge of a position write the job listing or talk to the candidate.

Re: Ask HN: Which companies are improving recruiting?

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Post by hashhar »

lynnetye wrote: post #19

I was a software engineer looking for full-time jobs a couple of years ago and it blew my mind how terrible the process was. There are _many_ problems in recruiting, but three things really bothered me during my search: 1. Information asymmetry. Job seekers should know more about the people at and day-to-day practices of a company before committing to their long and exhausting interview process. Often times this info…

I have to say that I find keyvalues.com interesting and solving a problem which i have faced often. There's also a lot of other comments praising your work.

Re: Ask HN: Which companies are improving recruiting?

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Post by davedx »

iandanforth wrote: post #13

I'll reiterate a desire for someone to actually make an OkCupid for Hiring. Both sides answer questions and get matched. (If this exists please let me know)

I just played around with KeyValues (also posted in this thread), and it looks like it takes an approach in that kind of area. What do you think of it? https://www.keyvalues.com

Re: Ask HN: Which companies are improving recruiting?

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Post by itronitron »

ben_jones wrote: post #8

Recruiting is a human resources intensive industry where the quality of a firm's output is dependent on the quality of the individual(s) handling your account. Companies like Triplybyte and Hired who raised gobs of VC with the promise of shaking the recruiting business (with their like totally amazing algorithms and "innovative" testing processes) haven't really done much and IMO are reverting to more traditional mod…

I feel like Triplebyte and Hired are playing the same numbers game that everyone else is, they are just taking on some of the vetting work on behalf of the hiring manager. That results in a safe-bet candidate pool that conforms to certain technical biases (just read some of TB's blogs for examples) and favors professional job-seekers which are not necessarily the best long-term hires.

Re: Ask HN: Which companies are improving recruiting?

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Post by itronitron »

vthallam wrote: post #11
AznHisoka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What could be done in innovation for job boards?

For a start, showing the most relevant details. Tech stack, whether they support Visa/Relocation, % of the people who heard back when they have applied(is it worth candidates time to even look at it). Also better filtering with multiple parameters, more personalization(beyond tags)

also showing past history of job postings from an employer and whether they were filled or just reposted every few months... in other words is the job posting real or just a fishing expedition?

Re: Ask HN: Which companies are improving recruiting?

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Post by siliconsenthil »

We (getsimpl.com) use geektrust.in for developer hiring.

Developers create their profile, solve problems and earn badges. GeekTrust ensures companies have to engage with only people who are good at coding and solving problems. Companies pitch to candidates and if both matches, the next level of interviews are done by the company. It's great for companies as it improves the top-of-the-funnel with high-quality candidates.

For candidates, it's using their core skills to market themselves, at their pace. There're people who slowly build their profile. They submit code, get helpful reviews to go further.

The difference between GeekTrust and other coding platforms is that they handle things well beyond just plain problem-solving. Things like great design, documenting etc.

As mentioned by others, we use HackerRank also to evaluate different aspects.

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