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Re: Web page service workers bypass ad-blockers after Chrome 72 upgrade?

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I hate Mozilla pushing their own things almost as much as Google (a screenshot service? I have a keybinding for that, thank you) but this will probably be the straw that makes me jump ship. There's always IceCat I guess. Websites get away with loading files from a ridiculous number of third-party servers and it's pretty frightening when you look at the uMatrix tab for it.

> I hate Mozilla pushing their own things almost as much as Google (a screenshot service? I have a keybinding for that, thank you) The screenshot feature is quite handy, because it lets you capture only a certain element on the page which is more cumbersome using the OS' builting screen capture, because then you need to edit the captured image.

OSX has a keybind that lets you drag the exact rectangle to capture, so all I do is keybind, drag, upload to my intended recipient instead of Mozilla's servers.

Re: Web page service workers bypass ad-blockers after Chrome 72 upgrade?

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It might sound dramatic, but if they do block or cripple ad blockers, then I think that could represent a turning point in Chrome's popularity. Even my non-technical friends use an ad blocker, and it's also one of the best defenses from viruses on the modern web, so people who do family tech support are likely to be pretty proactive in ensuring that the computers they look after are running browsers with ads blocked.

I'd go farther and say that the web is basically unusable without an ad blocker.

Re: Web page service workers bypass ad-blockers after Chrome 72 upgrade?

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate Mozilla pushing their own things almost as much as Google (a screenshot service? I have a keybinding for that, thank you) but this will probably be the straw that makes me jump ship. There's always IceCat I guess. Websites get away with loading files from a ridiculous number of third-party servers and it's pretty frightening when you look at the uMatrix tab for it.

Firefox's built in screenshot system provides one things that others don't. You can screenshot the entire page as a single unit, without having to resize the window beyond your own screen size.

Chrome's developer tools also allow this (ctrl+J / F12 -> ctrl+shift+p -> screenshot -> capture full size screenshot (or node screenshot / regular screenshot)

Re: Web page service workers bypass ad-blockers after Chrome 72 upgrade?

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hate Mozilla pushing their own things almost as much as Google (a screenshot service? I have a keybinding for that, thank you) The screenshot feature is quite handy, because it lets you capture only a certain element on the page which is more cumbersome using the OS' builting screen capture, because then you need to edit the captured image.

OSX has a keybind that lets you drag the exact rectangle to capture, so all I do is keybind, drag, upload to my intended recipient instead of Mozilla's servers.

Ubuntu Linux too - Ctrl+Shift+PrintScr

Re: Web page service workers bypass ad-blockers after Chrome 72 upgrade?

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hate Mozilla pushing their own things almost as much as Google (a screenshot service? I have a keybinding for that, thank you) The screenshot feature is quite handy, because it lets you capture only a certain element on the page which is more cumbersome using the OS' builting screen capture, because then you need to edit the captured image.

OSX has a keybind that lets you drag the exact rectangle to capture, so all I do is keybind, drag, upload to my intended recipient instead of Mozilla's servers.

Apparently, Windows has it too (snipping tool), so it looks like the firefox tool is not necessary.

Re: Web page service workers bypass ad-blockers after Chrome 72 upgrade?

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It might sound dramatic, but if they do block or cripple ad blockers, then I think that could represent a turning point in Chrome's popularity. Even my non-technical friends use an ad blocker, and it's also one of the best defenses from viruses on the modern web, so people who do family tech support are likely to be pretty proactive in ensuring that the computers they look after are running browsers with ads blocked.

The majority of people don't use an adblocker (otherwise the ad based ecosystem would not work) and if you ask them if they want to pay for the sites they visit instead of seeing ads then most of them choose free with ads. One visits lots of sites while browsing and paying for each of them is simply not feasible. The solution would be some kind of universal micropayment scheme, but it's unclear how such a sytem could…

But when ads are so user-hostile that they sometimes include malware, that's when I lose sympathy for the ad-supported web.

Re: Web page service workers bypass ad-blockers after Chrome 72 upgrade?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of people don't use an adblocker (otherwise the ad based ecosystem would not work) and if you ask them if they want to pay for the sites they visit instead of seeing ads then most of them choose free with ads. One visits lots of sites while browsing and paying for each of them is simply not feasible. The solution would be some kind of universal micropayment scheme, but it's unclear how such a sytem could…

But when ads are so user-hostile that they sometimes include malware, that's when I lose sympathy for the ad-supported web.

Ad networks strive to filter these out, so it's not an argument against ads. Otherwise, you could say let's not use, for example, app stores, because sometimes malicious apps can get through the checks.

Re: Web page service workers bypass ad-blockers after Chrome 72 upgrade?

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It might sound dramatic, but if they do block or cripple ad blockers, then I think that could represent a turning point in Chrome's popularity. Even my non-technical friends use an ad blocker, and it's also one of the best defenses from viruses on the modern web, so people who do family tech support are likely to be pretty proactive in ensuring that the computers they look after are running browsers with ads blocked.

The majority of people don't use an adblocker (otherwise the ad based ecosystem would not work) and if you ask them if they want to pay for the sites they visit instead of seeing ads then most of them choose free with ads. One visits lots of sites while browsing and paying for each of them is simply not feasible. The solution would be some kind of universal micropayment scheme, but it's unclear how such a sytem could…

So every site with "disable your adblocker" will display the message just because a "majority" doesn't use them? I find that doubtful.

Adblockers are impacting revenue from a considerable amount of users, otherwise there wouldn't be such messages.

Re: Web page service workers bypass ad-blockers after Chrome 72 upgrade?

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It might sound dramatic, but if they do block or cripple ad blockers, then I think that could represent a turning point in Chrome's popularity. Even my non-technical friends use an ad blocker, and it's also one of the best defenses from viruses on the modern web, so people who do family tech support are likely to be pretty proactive in ensuring that the computers they look after are running browsers with ads blocked.

I hate Mozilla pushing their own things almost as much as Google (a screenshot service? I have a keybinding for that, thank you) but this will probably be the straw that makes me jump ship. There's always IceCat I guess. Websites get away with loading files from a ridiculous number of third-party servers and it's pretty frightening when you look at the uMatrix tab for it.

I think Mozilla's privacy scandals are much worse than that screenshot service.

Re: Web page service workers bypass ad-blockers after Chrome 72 upgrade?

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post #28
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of people don't use an adblocker (otherwise the ad based ecosystem would not work) and if you ask them if they want to pay for the sites they visit instead of seeing ads then most of them choose free with ads. One visits lots of sites while browsing and paying for each of them is simply not feasible. The solution would be some kind of universal micropayment scheme, but it's unclear how such a sytem could…

So every site with "disable your adblocker" will display the message just because a "majority" doesn't use them? I find that doubtful. Adblockers are impacting revenue from a considerable amount of users, otherwise there wouldn't be such messages.

They try different solutions, before the impact gets bigger. I guess Chrome will introduce sometime in the future a disable ad blocker feature, so sites can ask the user to disable the ad blocker to continue and the browser will pop up a confirmation for the user, so the user can simply choose Allow without knowing the technical details of how to disable the ad blocker.
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