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Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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I wonder if the fact that serial anything criminals exist at all indicates that the criminal justice system might be broken? I wonder if the deterrence aspect of law enforcement is actually working in Western countries.

Deterrence is just one way to reduce crime, it doesn't have to be the only factor and like you say, it's just a reduction not a complete fix.

Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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General deterance. It makes it clear to others that destruction of evidence can be far worse than the crime you are attempting to hide.

"If only we lock up this one more person, _then_ it'll finally be clear." How's prison working out as a deterrent, generally?

It works fine. Just because some people can't stop themselves from committing crimes, that doesn't mean the general public doesn't respect deterrents.

There are so many things I wouldn't do because I know I'd get in trouble.

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> I wonder if the fact that serial anything criminals exist at all indicates that the criminal justice system might be broken? I'm a serial jay walker. I'm not sure that's evidence of the crumbling of western civilization. I don't think the law should aim to eliminate all crime. In my opinion, there are systemic limits to how efficient law enforcement can me: clamp down too hard on type 2 errors, and type 1 errors re…

I've heard the term jaywalking a few times (with a dispiseful tone) and looked it up now. the concept doesnt even make sense to me. here the 'weaker' have precedence over the 'stronger'. plus there's always the 'vertrauensgrundsatz' (principle of reliance) that states that you have to rely on others to behave correct (except children), but as soon as they give you a sign that this might not be the case it's _your_ du…

Not so fast, it's not just the US. Switzerland has a jaywalking law too, but it's never enforced and the fine is almost nothing (10$).

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There was a Russian guy recently that did exactly that [1], and then swat showed up at his home not long after. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0V8APbxMqM

Wait WTF how does that even work? The guy picked up the painting while an entire crowd was looking at it, and proceeded to walk away... That's Borat level absurdity.

"Act like you belong". Might want to accesorise with a fake staff badge or high viz jacket.

Now, I wonder what success rate you'd have if you asked a bystander to carry the other end ... probably quite high.

Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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> Most of the loot was hidden in his family home. Subsequently, his mother destroyed and threw away dozens of paintings and drawings, some by Cranach, Bruegel and Watteau, and dumped more than a hundred works into a canal. A pious woman, she chose not to destroy a Medieval sculpture of the Virgin Mary, abandoning it instead in a forest chapel. I'm curious why she chose to do this. Was she trying to hide the evidence?…

Omg she threw away a Breugel that should be prison time.

Destroying that much evidence should be prison time anyway, Breugel or not.

Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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post #12

I wonder if the fact that serial anything criminals exist at all indicates that the criminal justice system might be broken? I wonder if the deterrence aspect of law enforcement is actually working in Western countries.

Yes and no. I'm sure more people would park illegally or skip paying bills if there were no punishment. But deterrence is supposed to work at a rational level: The risk of getting caught and the punishment deters you from committing the act. It does not work if you don't act rationally in the first place, e.g. compulsive criminals or other forms of mental illness, drug-affected crimes, crimes of passion/anger etc. For very high stakes you might be willing to take the risk, or your assessment of the risk of getting caught might be off. Or you might just be desperate.

I suspect this guy have some mental issues.

Re: Serial art thief arrested again

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post #20

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I've heard the term jaywalking a few times (with a dispiseful tone) and looked it up now. the concept doesnt even make sense to me. here the 'weaker' have precedence over the 'stronger'. plus there's always the 'vertrauensgrundsatz' (principle of reliance) that states that you have to rely on others to behave correct (except children), but as soon as they give you a sign that this might not be the case it's _your_ du…

Not so fast, it's not just the US. Switzerland has a jaywalking law too, but it's never enforced and the fine is almost nothing (10$).

Wow... I had no idea.
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