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Re: Anti-Application video for YC120

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If a potential investor asks you basic questions about your ambitions and you interpret it as "offensive" and "an attack on Silicon Valley", and you end up at William Shockley, I think that says more about you than them. Bryan is clearly passionate about his beliefs, which probably works great for people who share them. Sometimes I wonder if 2013 Bryan ( https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Ben-Noordhuis-decide-to-leave-...…

I'd agree with you if it was someone like Goldman Sachs or HSBC that I wanted to get funding from. I wouldn't criticize them like this because I know it would fall into deaf ears. I think the reason we criticize YC is we believe the people at the top actually care about more than their own quarterly bonus.

I think the issue you're bringing up is valid but is just a dark-side of VC in general than just a problem with YC.

Startups and VCs tend to bang on about community values a whole lot more than they actually care, if at all, in contrast, big corps at least don't pretend as much, though it seems like that is changing with recent shift of marketing trends.

Re: Anti-Application video for YC120

#23
I would agree with him that the last couple of questions are BS, but perhaps the point of it is to evaluate how good you are at convincingly BSing your way through a situation?

Most people don't have the luxury of being brilliant or well-known enough to be able to be unapologetically blunt all of the time.

Especially when dealing with customers and/or investors.

Re: Anti-Application video for YC120

#24
post #14

I love Bryan Cantrill for being that classy bad-ass engineer with so much integrity. His talk on companies principles is a must-watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=9QMGAtxUlAc

> I love Bryan Cantrill for being that classy bad-ass engineer with so much integrity. I have never worked with Bryan. What's the general opinion about Valerie's statements about working with him. https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2016/10/22/why-i-wont-be-atte... https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2018/07/01/bryan-cantrill-has...

The acceptance of this declaring people as "horrible human beings" by mostly anonymous decree, and then creating a fashion where "the worst thing this did/said" is brought up by people who are X degrees removed from even that, every time the unperson does or say anything, I find much worse than being a caustic prick, which at least is hard limited to the actions of one person. Even if the person should be really bad every now and then, they're already sometimes just kinda-bad-mumble-mumble -- and the habit that is being formed here is just waiting on being used on all sorts of people.

That I know, the rest I can't speak on. I wasn't asked to work with him or be his friend, I find his talks valuable, very lucid and much surprisingly easy to follow even with subjects I don't know much about, and in that way they feel much more respectful to me as "the" audience than a lot of the material out there.

Re: Anti-Application video for YC120

#25
post #4

Wow, that was an extremely eloquent 4 minute piece to camera. Seems a little misplaced though. YC 120 seems to be about bringing people together who haven't already worked with great teams in SF. It seems to be for those with enthusiasm, ideas, energy, passion and drive but perhaps not a pre-existing network and connections. I would still consider accepting him on the strength of this video because he seems like he'd…

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Re: Anti-Application video for YC120

#26
In all his rage I think Bryan misses the point that people who are doing valuable work in teams already have access to support networks and have achieved some kind of “insider” status - by virtue of the very fact that they’re doing valuable work in teams.

Such people can already launch startups, receive mentorship, raise funding, apply to YC, etc.

As I understand it, YC120 is specifically looking for people who aren’t already connected to groups/networks who can help them thrive, and the program is wholly designed to connect them to others so new teams of capable people can form.

As for the obituary question: isn’t it obvious that the whole point of this question is to establish that the applicant has noble, benevolent ambitions?

Re: Anti-Application video for YC120

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post #19
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I love Bryan Cantrill for being that classy bad-ass engineer with so much integrity. I have never worked with Bryan. What's the general opinion about Valerie's statements about working with him. https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2016/10/22/why-i-wont-be-atte... https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2018/07/01/bryan-cantrill-has...

I'm not trying to defend Bryan Cantrill. Far from it. I think people in silicon valley often forget how privileged they are. The application question is basically asking What have you personally done in your life? Why should we give you a chance? I think Bryan Cantrill suffers from a lack of perspective. Like if you ask Taylor Swift about how to be a successful artist and she says just follow your dreams and everythi…

> if you ask Taylor Swift about how to be a successful artist and she says

Just have your father buy a record label.

> I think Bryan Cantrill suffers from a lack of perspective.

I think it could be interpreted in a lot of ways, god forbid anyone criticize the language and connotations in YCs questions. The questions asked so broadly/abstractly open them up for this type of thing and if there are problems more people should speak up, until there are better questions being asked. This can all still happen while also still loving what YC can provide.

> These aren't arguments I could make because I'm a nobody

This is exactly why you should express how you feel about these things, as much as you also want the conversation to be less about Bryan and more about YC, you're basically saying you have the same passionate nature but choose to be silent. And if you did speak up, it would be without the bulk amount of negative attention if you were wrong, but all the benefit if you provide something of value and were right.

Re: Anti-Application video for YC120

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I love Bryan Cantrill for being that classy bad-ass engineer with so much integrity. I have never worked with Bryan. What's the general opinion about Valerie's statements about working with him. https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2016/10/22/why-i-wont-be-atte... https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2018/07/01/bryan-cantrill-has...

Also this drama by Bryan seemed over the top: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845351 , http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun

Misdirected, not over the top, it's very appropriate especially when it was a sponsored project and they were getting called out as if Ben was their employee and they were cosigning whatever Ben's views were.

Regardless how you feel on gendered pronouns, if you're writing documentation regarding all users it seems like a no brainier to actually involve all users in the language, something which Bryan puts great significance into. Bryan's talks[0] usually involve tone and messaging (as well as being triggered and raged) as key points.

But back to the drama issue. The problem about this whole thing isn't about the pronouns really, it was the actions that Ben took even after it was explained and the hard stance Joyent felt it needed to take on the issue in the aftermath.

Ben, if we're giving him the benefit of the doubt (because he isn't a native English speaker) to word something 'wrong', is a simple fix, who cares.

- The real part of this whole mess was because he tried reversing a commit that was made by the project lead after it was worded to include more users. Ben was the main agitator in this almost 6 year old mess regardless of his amount of contributions.

[0] https://youtu.be/9QMGAtxUlAc

Re: Anti-Application video for YC120

#29
post #4

Wow, that was an extremely eloquent 4 minute piece to camera. Seems a little misplaced though. YC 120 seems to be about bringing people together who haven't already worked with great teams in SF. It seems to be for those with enthusiasm, ideas, energy, passion and drive but perhaps not a pre-existing network and connections. I would still consider accepting him on the strength of this video because he seems like he'd…

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Re: Anti-Application video for YC120

#30
"What do you want your obituary to say?"

Is this really one of the questions?

So, it's funny, I tell people there's usually two kinds of people. Those that want to be a and those who want to have been an . The former enjoys the journey. The latter wants to skip to the end. This question seems like it is targeting the latter group. Shouldn't YC be trying to target the former?

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