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Re: Tech Salaries Stagnant Despite Low Unemployment: Survey

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I'd bet it's just a function of what people are willing to do the job for. $93k gives you a very comfortable lifestyle, and tech workers tend to be much more motivated by the work itself than their peers. Those who really care about getting rich will go to SV and do a startup. So there's not as much pressure for increase.

Er...isn't the general agreement that if you want to get rich you absolutely should not go work for or found a startup but instead get a steady job at big corp and live below your means? People are always on about how shares in a startup should be counted as $0 compensation. Not to mention $93k doesn't go very far in places with large populations and high job prospects.

1) I assume the $93k isn't in SV and Seattle

2) The general wisdom if you want to get financially well-off is what you describe. Those who'd prefer to risk it all for a shot at being filthy rich do startups.

Re: Tech Salaries Stagnant Despite Low Unemployment: Survey

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$93k does not give a very comfortable lifestyle in SF/NYC.

You certainly can is you bought your house 10+ years ago.

So i guess 93k + a time machine would be great for most new grads.

Re: Tech Salaries Stagnant Despite Low Unemployment: Survey

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Thats not how it works. You cant put prices unilaterally in a market: a single company offering more would capture all talent.

That's not how it works. Educated, creative workers look for more than just salary. Increases in autonomy, purpose, and opportunity for mastery are often viewed as more valuable than money (once threshold levels of income have been crossed)[1] [1] Drive by Daniel Pink

That is captured by the word 'more'

Re: Tech Salaries Stagnant Despite Low Unemployment: Survey

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post #10

I'd bet it's just a function of what people are willing to do the job for. $93k gives you a very comfortable lifestyle, and tech workers tend to be much more motivated by the work itself than their peers. Those who really care about getting rich will go to SV and do a startup. So there's not as much pressure for increase.

$93k does not give a very comfortable lifestyle in SF/NYC.

These are averages. SF/BOS/SEA/NYC/etc all have higher salaries. It also is a bit vague as to what a "tech worker" is, and these articles tend to include all of IT in that.

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$93k supporting a family (stay at home partner, two kids) is most definitely not comfortable, whether in the Midwest or the coasts. Insurance premiums alone would be ~$15k/year (pretax, but still). Throw in a mortgage or rent @ $1500/month, that's another $18k/year, you've already consumed a third of your wages.

Im at a $100k, my wife stays at home with our two school age kids, we live quite comfortably.

I assume you live somewhere rural, with low cost of living, and not a suburb of a major metro. Is my assumption accurate? You might even be remote, in which case you've traded higher wages for lower employment mobility (which is a reasonable compromise to make, but not common).

Re: Tech Salaries Stagnant Despite Low Unemployment: Survey

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post #10

I'd bet it's just a function of what people are willing to do the job for. $93k gives you a very comfortable lifestyle, and tech workers tend to be much more motivated by the work itself than their peers. Those who really care about getting rich will go to SV and do a startup. So there's not as much pressure for increase.

$93k does not give a very comfortable lifestyle in SF/NYC.

Presumably that amount is for living in normal places. Even in Austin TX, which has become relatively expensive, I lived quite comfortably on an entry-level salary of $65k in 2015.

Re: Tech Salaries Stagnant Despite Low Unemployment: Survey

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post #10

I'd bet it's just a function of what people are willing to do the job for. $93k gives you a very comfortable lifestyle, and tech workers tend to be much more motivated by the work itself than their peers. Those who really care about getting rich will go to SV and do a startup. So there's not as much pressure for increase.

$93k supporting a family (stay at home partner, two kids) is most definitely not comfortable, whether in the Midwest or the coasts. Insurance premiums alone would be ~$15k/year (pretax, but still). Throw in a mortgage or rent @ $1500/month, that's another $18k/year, you've already consumed a third of your wages.

Different people have different definitions of "comfortable", but it is entirely possible to live comfortably in the Midwest on a household income of ~$100k.

Re: Tech Salaries Stagnant Despite Low Unemployment: Survey

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Job market is sort of similar to the real estate market. If you're shopping for a house (or looking for a job), it's pointless to look at the "market as a whole", because that's not the segment you're in: you're shopping for something narrow and specific.

A much better statistic would be to break things down by specialization, seniority, and whether or not a person had a stint at FAANG (which, and this will be deliberately misinterpreted, is a proxy for not completely sucking as an engineer). It's plausible that things have stagnated or gone down in the lower-skill segments with over-saturated labor supply. But anecdotally, on the higher end and in the segment where the talent is relatively scarce, I've never seen it better than it is now.

Re: Tech Salaries Stagnant Despite Low Unemployment: Survey

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Im at a $100k, my wife stays at home with our two school age kids, we live quite comfortably.

I assume you live somewhere rural, with low cost of living, and not a suburb of a major metro. Is my assumption accurate? You might even be remote, in which case you've traded higher wages for lower employment mobility (which is a reasonable compromise to make, but not common).

I am in the process of moving to live 30 minutes from New Orleans and yes I work remote.

Re: Tech Salaries Stagnant Despite Low Unemployment: Survey

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$93k supporting a family (stay at home partner, two kids) is most definitely not comfortable, whether in the Midwest or the coasts. Insurance premiums alone would be ~$15k/year (pretax, but still). Throw in a mortgage or rent @ $1500/month, that's another $18k/year, you've already consumed a third of your wages.

Im at a $100k, my wife stays at home with our two school age kids, we live quite comfortably.

> my wife stays at home with our two school age kids

Ah, so she's providing service equivalent to $100k

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