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Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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And yet, they can't reach an agreement with each other.

Edit: I meant this as a light-hearted, tongue-in-cheek, comment re the Brexit negotiations. It was apparently wrong to do so (?). I even took precious time from the fallacy man (http://existentialcomics.com/comic/9).

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Good. I don't know how much longer Americans are going to buy the boogiemen we keep getting fed. Sovereign nations under the the U.S.' thumb, not being able to control their own destiny only works so long as we're complacent. I sense we're growing tired of war for war's sake, leery of ideological battles built for future blowback down the road. We see enough people profiting from these wars to wonder how much global…

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Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s mostly a win for world stability because it preserves, to a limited degree, the notion that you can mutually agree, put it in writing, and count on the other side fulfilling its obligations as long as you do. Nobody with half a grasp of reality doubts that Iran was fulfilling its end of the nuclear deal. It’s entirely unclear why China, or North K, or really anybody should trust the US Government in the future.…

Absolutely. It's completely stupid to go back on a deal when they were upholding their end. It means that there is no point in any country doing long term deals with the US when they know the next president is just going to tear it up if they feel like.

IIRC, the whole argument for rejecting the deal is that supposedly there was some hard evidence that Iran was not complying with it as expected. You may think that this purported evidence is BS, but let's not misrepresent positions here.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Iran regime largely owes its very existence to the way the West (particularly UK and US) behaved towards the country. Do they think that hitting even harder will have any result?

I became an islamist terrorist state because they forced me to.

Or maybe all the leaders that weren't awful were forced out.

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I'm surprised that Britain is even behind this, as they might have been a bit nervous about the US response, considering their ongoing Brexit. This is a great example of how current US foreign policy means a loss of soft power all over the world. I do think that this is a win for world stability though, trading tends to help relations, which helps stops all sort of unpleasantness. Whether this will be enough i don't…

world politics is like a cooperative version of poker where every country is supposed to win occasionally. now trump just decided to just raise all the time and cashing in. but players now realize his hand isn't that strong (no pun intended) most of the time and they will adapt by staying in the game while recoordinating the cooperation. in the end the USA will get a smaller part of the cake than they used to - and that won't improve soon even after Trump due to new arrangements and lost trust.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. It's completely stupid to go back on a deal when they were upholding their end. It means that there is no point in any country doing long term deals with the US when they know the next president is just going to tear it up if they feel like.

IIRC, the whole argument for rejecting the deal is that supposedly there was some hard evidence that Iran was not complying with it as expected. You may think that this purported evidence is BS, but let's not misrepresent positions here.

Even the current administration admits that Iran is "technically" in compliance. That means theys fulfil all obligations they have signed up to.

There is no "real" compliance beyond technical compliance. That's just wordplay.

The problem is that the Iran deal is an Obama deal, so it must be wrong, and Iran's compliance is irrelevant.

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I'm surprised that Britain is even behind this, as they might have been a bit nervous about the US response, considering their ongoing Brexit. This is a great example of how current US foreign policy means a loss of soft power all over the world. I do think that this is a win for world stability though, trading tends to help relations, which helps stops all sort of unpleasantness. Whether this will be enough i don't…

Why?

This means Britain will actually have one trade agreement by the time it leaves the EU.

"This is a great example of how current US foreign policy means a loss of soft power all over the world"

Agreed, it does seem very short sighted. Once a system is in place, and it works, suddenly its very easy to apply that system to any other regime where the US doesn't agree with the rest of the world. Plus what's the point in 'rogue' states coming in from the cold, if the US are going to renage on their agreements.

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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I'm surprised that Britain is even behind this, as they might have been a bit nervous about the US response, considering their ongoing Brexit. This is a great example of how current US foreign policy means a loss of soft power all over the world. I do think that this is a win for world stability though, trading tends to help relations, which helps stops all sort of unpleasantness. Whether this will be enough i don't…

Practically speaking, the UK is completely screwed when it gets to choose who to trade with post-brexit. The deal the US will make with the UK will effectively be too good for the US (US hold all the cards) for the UK to have any form of negotiating power.

The US won't "not accept the deal" or "not make a trade deal with the UK" because UK trades with Iran, itt'l be too good for them to pass up. Itt'l be the only thing going that the UK can accept, no matter how bad it is, in an attempt to save face as they can't be seen to go back to trading with the EU especially on worse terms. This is devolving into a Brexit rant, but I can guarantee you that the US doesnt give two shits if the UK trades with Iran, they're rubbing their hands in anticipation of what is to come. UK knows this so is scrambling to do deals with whoever it can as soon as possible. This is my line of thinking anyway.

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