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'Karma': A hack used by the UAE to break into iPhones of foes

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Re: 'Karma': A hack used by the UAE to break into iPhones of foes

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Post by tomschlick »

java-man wrote: post #15
pizza wrote: post #12

If the US government gives itself the right to install backdoors / exploit vulnerable software (as opposed to notifying companies about vulnerabilities) then I feel pretty uncomfortable about ex-government hackers just becoming freelance mercenaries using knowledge they may have gleaned from those ops once they move onto their next gig. I can't think of a great solution to this problem.

we could elect sane leaders...

And that's a novel idea when they are on the campaign trail... until they start getting daily national security briefings and learn about the attempted attacks supposedly foiled by good SIGINT. No one wants to be the president who turns that firehose off and "causes the next 9/11". I believe that is what happened with Obama.

Re: 'Karma': A hack used by the UAE to break into iPhones of foes

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Post by brians »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #20

TL;DR: the US attitude ... *It’s fine to spy on human rights activists with all the powers of government as long as they’re not American* ... really gets to the heart of how the US treats the rest of the world. The US is the biggest terror threat in the world today. Its pains are self inflicted and it's enemies created by their very own foreign policy.

That’s called recognizing UAE sovereignty and not imposing our laws or values. It’s flawed, but probably the best we can do.

On the other hand, the NSA vets who went to work for the UAE knew who was paying their salaries, and knew they’d gone to the dark side the minute they crossed passport control.

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Post by module0000 »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #20

TL;DR: the US attitude ... *It’s fine to spy on human rights activists with all the powers of government as long as they’re not American* ... really gets to the heart of how the US treats the rest of the world. The US is the biggest terror threat in the world today. Its pains are self inflicted and it's enemies created by their very own foreign policy.

>> ... really gets to the heart of how the US treats the rest of the world.

Really gets to the heart of how the ruling 0.0001% of the US treats the rest of the world. Fixed that for you. Some of us just live here.

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Post by RankingMember »

brians wrote: post #22
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #20

TL;DR: the US attitude ... *It’s fine to spy on human rights activists with all the powers of government as long as they’re not American* ... really gets to the heart of how the US treats the rest of the world. The US is the biggest terror threat in the world today. Its pains are self inflicted and it's enemies created by their very own foreign policy.

That’s called recognizing UAE sovereignty and not imposing our laws or values. It’s flawed, but probably the best we can do. On the other hand, the NSA vets who went to work for the UAE knew who was paying their salaries, and knew they’d gone to the dark side the minute they crossed passport control.

You'd think we'd have some special regulations regarding what kind of jobs ex-NSA can have after leaving.

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Post by RankingMember »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #20

TL;DR: the US attitude ... *It’s fine to spy on human rights activists with all the powers of government as long as they’re not American* ... really gets to the heart of how the US treats the rest of the world. The US is the biggest terror threat in the world today. Its pains are self inflicted and it's enemies created by their very own foreign policy.

Please keep in mind that what you hear coming out of Washington does not necessarily reflect the thoughts and feelings of the people it governs. I'd guess that the vast majority of Americans would not support the statement you quoted.

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

module0000 wrote: post #24
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #20

TL;DR: the US attitude ... *It’s fine to spy on human rights activists with all the powers of government as long as they’re not American* ... really gets to the heart of how the US treats the rest of the world. The US is the biggest terror threat in the world today. Its pains are self inflicted and it's enemies created by their very own foreign policy.

>> ... really gets to the heart of how the US treats the rest of the world. Really gets to the heart of how the ruling 0.0001% of the US treats the rest of the world. Fixed that for you. Some of us just live here.

yeah I actually thought it would be clear as crystal that when I speak of the crimes committed here we're not talking about those that pay their taxes, and struggle to get access to health-care ... Most are themselves immigrants so how on earth would anyone suggest it's the ordinary citizen here that's guilty[0]. I do acknowledge that my comment was "un-American" (not that I give a hoot).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Untold_History_of_the_Unit...

Re: 'Karma': A hack used by the UAE to break into iPhones of foes

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

RankingMember wrote: post #27
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #20

TL;DR: the US attitude ... *It’s fine to spy on human rights activists with all the powers of government as long as they’re not American* ... really gets to the heart of how the US treats the rest of the world. The US is the biggest terror threat in the world today. Its pains are self inflicted and it's enemies created by their very own foreign policy.

Please keep in mind that what you hear coming out of Washington does not necessarily reflect the thoughts and feelings of the people it governs. I'd guess that the vast majority of Americans would not support the statement you quoted.

see my reply to module0000 from just now here. I thought that this would be a given, but clearly I was wrong.

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Post by sctb »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #20

TL;DR: the US attitude ... *It’s fine to spy on human rights activists with all the powers of government as long as they’re not American* ... really gets to the heart of how the US treats the rest of the world. The US is the biggest terror threat in the world today. Its pains are self inflicted and it's enemies created by their very own foreign policy.

> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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