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Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Post by throwaway2048 »

11sdmb8m wrote: post #20
mrweasel wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Facebook, politicians, and many others fail to understand is that there's a difference between legal and morally right. Facebook makes it exceedingly easy for people to hate them, while technically doing nothing wrong. Well sometimes they break the law, but then Zuckerberg just says he's sorry and we all move on. It's getting tiresome to watch our industry behave recklessly in the pursuit of ad revenue and the p…

What you fail to understand is that the average layman doesn't care about data collection and ad tech. If it pisses you off that people don't care about the same things you do, welcome to politics.

There is a difference between not informed, and doesn't care.

How many people would be comfortable if you laid out the full spectrum of what is possible with the data that is collected, and how said data is distributed and sold?

Its frankly a massively dishonest claim that people "don't care so its all fine".

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

11sdmb8m wrote: post #20
mrweasel wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Facebook, politicians, and many others fail to understand is that there's a difference between legal and morally right. Facebook makes it exceedingly easy for people to hate them, while technically doing nothing wrong. Well sometimes they break the law, but then Zuckerberg just says he's sorry and we all move on. It's getting tiresome to watch our industry behave recklessly in the pursuit of ad revenue and the p…

What you fail to understand is that the average layman doesn't care about data collection and ad tech. If it pisses you off that people don't care about the same things you do, welcome to politics.

> the average layman doesn't care about data collection and ad tech

True. But Facebook has managed—by demonstrating a repeated recklessness, unwillingness to reform and immortality that seems fundamental to its culture—to energise a vocal minority in a way no other tech company has. This vocal minority, moreover, is wealthy, politically connected and bipartisan.

This is already resulting in costs and reduced strategic flexibility for Facebook’s senior leadership. I expect it to turn into an existential threat for the company, as it’s currently organised, in the coming years.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Post by 11sdmb8m »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #21
11sdmb8m wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you fail to understand is that the average layman doesn't care about data collection and ad tech. If it pisses you off that people don't care about the same things you do, welcome to politics.

There is a difference between not informed, and doesn't care. How many people would be comfortable if you laid out the full spectrum of what is possible with the data that is collected, and how said data is distributed and sold? Its frankly a massively dishonest claim that people "don't care so its all fine".

Users realise that the ads they see are targeted to them, and infer that those ads are chosen depending on their activity. Do you think people would stop using Facebook if you told them about this? Or maybe you're wishing for the government to step in?

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Post by mrweasel »

11sdmb8m wrote: post #20
mrweasel wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Facebook, politicians, and many others fail to understand is that there's a difference between legal and morally right. Facebook makes it exceedingly easy for people to hate them, while technically doing nothing wrong. Well sometimes they break the law, but then Zuckerberg just says he's sorry and we all move on. It's getting tiresome to watch our industry behave recklessly in the pursuit of ad revenue and the p…

What you fail to understand is that the average layman doesn't care about data collection and ad tech. If it pisses you off that people don't care about the same things you do, welcome to politics.

What I care about are companies that simply have no moral compass. If no one at Google or Facebook think that they're pushing a little too hard to get ever more data about their users, then something is terribly wrong at those companies.

Google is particularly fascinating, their employees protest when their parent company want to be a supplier to the US military, but apparently they have no moral objection to building detailed profiles on users (and non-users) in order to sell them more junk that they don't need and can't afford.

The whole data collection thing is so abstract that the same people who don't want their employer to kill people with drone can't see the immorality of invading people privacy. If that's the case, then how can we expect the layman to understand or care?

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Post by LeoNatan25 »

11sdmb8m wrote: post #15
SirHound wrote: post #7

"Sorry we got caught"

Caught doing what? What they did was perfectly fine. Legal even under the GDPR, and people were being paid for it, which is the usual lament here ("nobody is paying me for my data"). Admit it, you just hate Facebook.

They are using enterprise distribution against Apple EULA, sending software which was forbidden on the App Store.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Post by tssva »

11sdmb8m wrote: post #15
SirHound wrote: post #7

"Sorry we got caught"

Caught doing what? What they did was perfectly fine. Legal even under the GDPR, and people were being paid for it, which is the usual lament here ("nobody is paying me for my data"). Admit it, you just hate Facebook.

They were caught violating the terms of Apple's Developer Enterprise Program.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Post by LeoNatan25 »

Krasnol wrote: post #13
webmobdev wrote: post #12

Or rather - "Facebook was FORCED to remove its app by Apple".

Where does it say that?

It might as well be so. The we’re using an enterprise distribution method which only allows distribution to company employees. This is grounds for account revocation. (Not their AppStore account, their enterprise account. )

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Post by gaius »

11sdmb8m wrote: post #15
SirHound wrote: post #7

"Sorry we got caught"

Caught doing what? What they did was perfectly fine. Legal even under the GDPR, and people were being paid for it, which is the usual lament here ("nobody is paying me for my data"). Admit it, you just hate Facebook.

Not if it involves minors without parental consent it isn’t.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Post by princekolt »

11sdmb8m wrote: post #15
SirHound wrote: post #7

"Sorry we got caught"

Caught doing what? What they did was perfectly fine. Legal even under the GDPR, and people were being paid for it, which is the usual lament here ("nobody is paying me for my data"). Admit it, you just hate Facebook.

Why do people defend large corporations so intensively?
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