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Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

21 wrote: post #16
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I set up Windows to encode a video overnight, and I wake up the next morning and the encode isn't finished because Windows decided to restart in the middle, I'm not happy. This basically means I can't use Windows to encode videos, period. (And no, setting Active Hours doesn't work, because the whole point is I want the videos to get encoded when I'm not active!) The same applies to downloading large files, etc.…

You get a notification when Windows plans on restarting somewhere in the future. I just click on it and manually set the restart date 1 week in the future. That's it. I'm also leaving the computer on for weeks and never had an unexpected reboot with this protocol.

This doesn't work if it's been a while since I last booted into my Windows partition. Windows immediately decides I'm past the point where I can defer. It does show a notification immediately beforehand, but if I'm asleep that isn't useful.

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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Post by zdragnar »

21 wrote: post #14
Tomasz_Papka wrote: post #9

Interesting... Microsoft is forcing everyone to update their machines for quite some time... I've noticed that MS is forcing updates on my machine about a year ago and out of frustration I asked about it on this forum four months ago ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18029216 ) Please try it. Go to Computer Management/Services and Applications/Services and then stop and disable Windows Updates. It's a matter of…

I presume the first thing you'll do on your next Apple machine is disabling updates. Don't forget to also disable auto-updates in Chrome/Firefox, since they are enabled by default.

I think the gripe was less about auto-updates than the fact that the OS allegedly un-set OP's attempt at opting out.

Forgetting certain settings is annoying. Forgetting that I want to manually control when my computer downloads gigs of data to apply a patch that- in recent times especially- may very well brick my system... well, I can certainly understand where OP's frustration comes in.

Even at one of my jobs a few years back (which was about 50/45/5 apple / windows / linux shop) we were cautioned against applying major updates from apple within the first month or so of their releases given past issues.

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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Post by jorvi »

21 wrote: post #14
Tomasz_Papka wrote: post #9

Interesting... Microsoft is forcing everyone to update their machines for quite some time... I've noticed that MS is forcing updates on my machine about a year ago and out of frustration I asked about it on this forum four months ago ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18029216 ) Please try it. Go to Computer Management/Services and Applications/Services and then stop and disable Windows Updates. It's a matter of…

I presume the first thing you'll do on your next Apple machine is disabling updates. Don't forget to also disable auto-updates in Chrome/Firefox, since they are enabled by default.

Apple has the grace not to force a reboot on you in the middle of games, presentations, movies, etc.

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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Post by 21 »

zdragnar wrote: post #22
21 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I presume the first thing you'll do on your next Apple machine is disabling updates. Don't forget to also disable auto-updates in Chrome/Firefox, since they are enabled by default.

I think the gripe was less about auto-updates than the fact that the OS allegedly un-set OP's attempt at opting out. Forgetting certain settings is annoying. Forgetting that I want to manually control when my computer downloads gigs of data to apply a patch that- in recent times especially- may very well brick my system... well, I can certainly understand where OP's frustration comes in. Even at one of my jobs a few…

I wouldn't call disabling the Windows Update service as "setting an option" that it's later forgotten. It's more of a thing an inexperienced user does by mistake while messing around. Windows does things behind you back, like magically restore system files if you manage to delete them, and so on, in an effort to keep running. But of course, some people are like "I deleted those files on purpose, so stay the damn out of my lawn"

But I do get your point, and Windows is indeed lacking an option to fully disable updates, even if it does have an option to defer major updates by up to an year.

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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Post by fuzz4lyfe »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #11
TwoNineA wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell that to the person who got his personal files flushed automagically by a Windows update.

Were they initially pushing that October update, or were those manual requests for update?

Pushing, without changing settings you got it.

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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Post by smacktoward »

Someone1234 wrote: post #4

I'm always impressed by people's creative ability to put a negative spin on almost anything. Particularly to generate hate-clicks. In this case they're implementing Seamless Updates, which should substantially reduce downtime and improve roll-backs during update installation (a major complaint) but instead of focusing on the benefit, they focus on the disk space loss. The reason it takes up space on Windows, Android,…

I can go to microsoft.com right now and buy -- not from some third party OEM, mind you, but designed and sold by Microsoft themselves -- a Surface device with a grand total of 64GB of storage. In the context of that device, giving up 7GB means losing more than 10% of the advertised storage space. Which is kind of a lot.

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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Post by Tomasz_Papka »

21 wrote: post #14
Tomasz_Papka wrote: post #9

Interesting... Microsoft is forcing everyone to update their machines for quite some time... I've noticed that MS is forcing updates on my machine about a year ago and out of frustration I asked about it on this forum four months ago ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18029216 ) Please try it. Go to Computer Management/Services and Applications/Services and then stop and disable Windows Updates. It's a matter of…

I presume the first thing you'll do on your next Apple machine is disabling updates. Don't forget to also disable auto-updates in Chrome/Firefox, since they are enabled by default.

The reason I disable Windows updates is because it eats up A LOT of computing power. When you notice that few minutes after turning on your laptop fans are working like crazy for 30, 40 minutes, you know there is something wrong. It's better to just remember to update your system once a month and manually turn on and off the update option. But now you can't even do that. The moment I hear fans are working like crazy I know that Windows somehow overwrought my setting and the 'updates' are running in the background. Cheers!

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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Post by zdragnar »

21 wrote: post #24
zdragnar wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the gripe was less about auto-updates than the fact that the OS allegedly un-set OP's attempt at opting out. Forgetting certain settings is annoying. Forgetting that I want to manually control when my computer downloads gigs of data to apply a patch that- in recent times especially- may very well brick my system... well, I can certainly understand where OP's frustration comes in. Even at one of my jobs a few…

I wouldn't call disabling the Windows Update service as "setting an option" that it's later forgotten. It's more of a thing an inexperienced user does by mistake while messing around. Windows does things behind you back, like magically restore system files if you manage to delete them, and so on, in an effort to keep running. But of course, some people are like "I deleted those files on purpose, so stay the damn out…

I definitely understand the reasoning behind automatic updates, especially when it comes to keeping up with security patches.

Some rare times, some of us need finer grained control over these things, though, and it probably shouldn't be called "disable" if the OS will re-enable it at will, without notification.

It's one thing to protect the user from themselves, and another thing altogether to lie to them. It's (generally) the latter that will get people upset.

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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Post by twblalock »

Someone1234 wrote: post #4

I'm always impressed by people's creative ability to put a negative spin on almost anything. Particularly to generate hate-clicks. In this case they're implementing Seamless Updates, which should substantially reduce downtime and improve roll-backs during update installation (a major complaint) but instead of focusing on the benefit, they focus on the disk space loss. The reason it takes up space on Windows, Android,…

I'd rather have them display an error message the next time I log in if I didn't have enough space. Otherwise I'm giving up a chunk of disk space that will be unused 99% of the time.

Considering that the Surface tablets don't have that much space to begin with, that's a bit of a sacrifice. I also wonder how they will handle this in Azure VMs running Windows, VMs running on developer laptops, etc.

Re: Microsoft Issues Windows 10 Upgrade Warning

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Post by twblalock »

baldfat wrote: post #2

I am glad that Windows is an opt-out of updates. We all know the majority of people never update anything. Personally I opt out and manually update my systems but most people just need it to happen.

Auto updates only work well when they don't break stuff, and don't cause random reboots.

Microsoft has a pretty bad track record with their updates breaking stuff and causing data loss. I don't trust them anymore.

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