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Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by twblalock »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #14
shawnps wrote: post #10

For anyone interested in purchasing a mechanical watch, there are plenty of brands making affordable mechanical timepieces today. Hamilton, Seiko, Tissot, Swatch, Orient, and Timex are a few that come to mind for the sub-$1000 category. It's a fun hobby with a nice community of enthusiasts. Some advice: * If possible, wear the watch before buying it. Seeing a watch on your wrist is different from seeing photos of it.…

I'd say, don't avoid the gray market. You'll get lower prices, and you probably won't need to use the warranty. It's a net win, if the price drop is good enough. Many popular watches (e.g. JDM or non-USA-market Seikos) are only available gray-market in the USA.

That's fine for cheap watches, but once you get into the $500+ price range you are taking a big risk.

If the watch has problems you'll need to pay out of pocket for repairs, and parts and service can be difficult to obtain for a watch not normally sold in your country.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by SamReidHughes »

twblalock wrote: post #21
SamReidHughes wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say, don't avoid the gray market. You'll get lower prices, and you probably won't need to use the warranty. It's a net win, if the price drop is good enough. Many popular watches (e.g. JDM or non-USA-market Seikos) are only available gray-market in the USA.

That's fine for cheap watches, but once you get into the $500+ price range you are taking a big risk. If the watch has problems you'll need to pay out of pocket for repairs, and parts and service can be difficult to obtain for a watch not normally sold in your country.

That's right, you are -- but with these watches usually the movement is a basic standard one, and a movement swap is a cheap fix.

You're already signing yourself up for that sort of cost, after a few years of wearing.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by ryanlol »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #20
ryanlol wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Tricking people into buying fake watches is their business model You know nothing about the business and are just coming up with things >and it’s a violation of copyright and trademark I’m not sure that this would make it immoral, and how does this affect the customer anyway? As far as immoral things businesses do this one seems extraordinarily mild, hardly any cause for boycott. I rather doubt this has anything to…

It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing. > I’m not sure that this would make it immoral, and how does this affect the buyer anyway? It doesn't just affect the buyer. It affects the company being faked. And it's illegal, so you're helping a criminal enterprise.

>It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing.

Sure, but I don't think that this makes manufacturing, buying, or selling fakes immoral. Most fake watches are sold to people who know that they're buying a fake watch.

>It affects the company being faked.

I don't believe you. Rolex isn't losing any sales because of fakes.

>And it's illegal, so you're helping a criminal enterprise.

This hardly seems like a real argument. There are many places where it's criminal to get high or be gay.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by [deleted] »

ryanlol wrote: post #23
SamReidHughes wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing. > I’m not sure that this would make it immoral, and how does this affect the buyer anyway? It doesn't just affect the buyer. It affects the company being faked. And it's illegal, so you're helping a criminal enterprise.

>It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing. Sure, but I don't think that this makes manufacturing, buying, or selling fakes immoral. Most fake watches are sold to people who know that they're buying a fake watch. >It affects the company being faked. I don't believe you. Rolex isn't losing any sales because of fakes. >And it's illegal,…

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Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by SamReidHughes »

ryanlol wrote: post #23
SamReidHughes wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing. > I’m not sure that this would make it immoral, and how does this affect the buyer anyway? It doesn't just affect the buyer. It affects the company being faked. And it's illegal, so you're helping a criminal enterprise.

>It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing. Sure, but I don't think that this makes manufacturing, buying, or selling fakes immoral. Most fake watches are sold to people who know that they're buying a fake watch. >It affects the company being faked. I don't believe you. Rolex isn't losing any sales because of fakes. >And it's illegal,…

All the watch companies that adopted anti-counterfeiting measures believe otherwise.

Edit: And the fake watch makers copy those anti-counterfeiting measures. That's how we know your story about buyers being aware of what they're buying falls apart.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by SamReidHughes »

paulgb wrote: post #8
beezischillin wrote: post #5

I can’t help but admire people who create incredible intricate pieces of mechanical art hy hand. Not ever in my life could I hope to replicate even a crude, barely functional version of such a device. While I’m not a watch geek, the process and methodology behind creating these time-pieces is endlessly fascinating to me. I’d totally love to watch a documentary of someone doing similar work!

I don't know where you're located, but you may enjoy the Horological Society of New York's traveling education program[1] if they are going to be near you. (I'm not affiliated with them, but I've enjoyed a few of their classes) [1] http://hs-ny.org/traveling-education/

San Diego next month! Thanks for posting this, I might check it out.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by paradoxparalax »

ryanlol wrote: post #13
shawnps wrote: post #10

For anyone interested in purchasing a mechanical watch, there are plenty of brands making affordable mechanical timepieces today. Hamilton, Seiko, Tissot, Swatch, Orient, and Timex are a few that come to mind for the sub-$1000 category. It's a fun hobby with a nice community of enthusiasts. Some advice: * If possible, wear the watch before buying it. Seeing a watch on your wrist is different from seeing photos of it.…

>* Avoid replicas and fakes ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHgKMA6Bh6U ) Why? These days chinese factories are pushing superb 4130 clones for the price of a decent seiko. This guy in the video seems to know nothing at all about the chinese watch industry.

Because a clone is criminal. As long as I know. And is not only against the law, It is morally theft,

some people spent A Lot of money in design for some malicious smartass chinese guy to come and copy and sell by 10 times cheaper....This is Absurd. Some people are loosing their jobs , see , maybe me myself, i am loosing a job because of Falsification...

Besides, Is not really necessary, Come one, people should come out with their Own watch design right?

It should be not so hard to draw a sketch with a New design, right? Its not like painting the Davinci's Monalisa, right...

At least my opinion, like they say in the Good Wife Series.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by ryanlol »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #25
ryanlol wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's a fact that when buying watches, you have to watch out for fakes, because people pass fake watches off as the real thing. Sure, but I don't think that this makes manufacturing, buying, or selling fakes immoral. Most fake watches are sold to people who know that they're buying a fake watch. >It affects the company being faked. I don't believe you. Rolex isn't losing any sales because of fakes. >And it's illegal,…

All the watch companies that adopted anti-counterfeiting measures believe otherwise. Edit: And the fake watch makers copy those anti-counterfeiting measures. That's how we know your story about buyers being aware of what they're buying falls apart.

What's an anti-counterfeiting measure? Is the rolex rehaut engraving an anti-counterfeiting measure? If yes, how is it distinguishable from decoration?

Sure, Rolex has their LEC but that probably has more to do with identifying OEM crystals than anti-counterfeiting.

What anti-counterfeiting measures were you thinking of? I can't come up with many.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

#29

Post by ryanlol »

paradoxparalax wrote: post #27
ryanlol wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>* Avoid replicas and fakes ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHgKMA6Bh6U ) Why? These days chinese factories are pushing superb 4130 clones for the price of a decent seiko. This guy in the video seems to know nothing at all about the chinese watch industry.

Because a clone is criminal. As long as I know. And is not only against the law, It is morally theft, some people spent A Lot of money in design for some malicious smartass chinese guy to come and copy and sell by 10 times cheaper....This is Absurd. Some people are loosing their jobs , see , maybe me myself, i am loosing a job because of Falsification... Besides, Is not really necessary, Come one, people should come…

>Some people are loosing their jobs , see , maybe me myself, i am loosing a job because of Falsification...

Who exactly is losing their job because of fake watches? I do not believe that you will be able to present any convincing evidence that replica watches are actually hurting the sales of genuine watches.

>Lot of money in design for some malicious smartass chinese guy to come and copy and sell by 10 times cheaper

What do you think about homage watches? Most people don't seem to have a problem with those, the guy in the youtube video specifically says homage watches are OK.

If you aren't familiar with homage watches, look at this: http://i56.tinypic.com/k4hug1.jpg

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker (2017)

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Post by paradoxparalax »

I love this art of Patience of the Japanese. They love to spend a life time i to making a tiny wood doll or some little flower arrange...

I wonder its because is an Island and one gets inside himself or one just gets bored...

I am a fan of making bamboo and paper little planes , just to thorw them and destroy on the beach...

I found that using Smoking Paper is a good material haha

What I like is the making the fine bamboos longarinas and skeleton of the models. I like boats of bamboo too.

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