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H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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Re: H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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Granted that H-1B visas should ostensibly be filled only for positions where it is difficult to find qualified American citizens or permanent residents, but in all honesty are the Department of Labor's allegations really that surprising? In the Bay Area, qualified job candidates are so scarce that it's quite common for citizens/permanent-residents to change jobs frequently. H1-B candidates are attractive for companie…

you could multiply the h1b quota by 10 and it would fill out.

Re: H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slavery or indentured servitude implies you have no choice. You do.

Easy for you to say. You're probably not bonded to your employer like the OP. Get your head out of the sand.

If you're allowed to quit and go to another country, whether your country of origin or another country, that's a choice.

Re: H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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I am sure locking in employees played a part in their decision. However, I have to point out that foreign graduates, especially from China are preferred in my profession due to their strong technical background. Its kind of how things evolved over time. So a similiar thing might be going on here.

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I’ve been on h1b for over 7 years now , with no chance of getting a green card because I was born in India , all my immigrant friends who started working at the same time have already gotten their green cards - they all have the option to quit their jobs if they feel like they are being underpaid or exploited. But not me , I’m looking at 70 years before I get my freedom , until then I have to tolerate the indentured…

Slavery or indentured servitude implies you have no choice. You do.

I have very restricted choices, it’s different from the choices you have and that is why it is easy for corporations to keep the wages down , the “lower wages” I get here is still way higher than what I’d make if I chose any of the choices I have.

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I’ve been on h1b for over 7 years now , with no chance of getting a green card because I was born in India , all my immigrant friends who started working at the same time have already gotten their green cards - they all have the option to quit their jobs if they feel like they are being underpaid or exploited. But not me , I’m looking at 70 years before I get my freedom , until then I have to tolerate the indentured…

HN moderaters,

Please explain how this person actually saying “fuck you” in a post doesn’t break your rules against incivility.

The pro-India/pro-China bias on this board is getting ridiculous.

Re: H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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post #13

Disparate outcomes do not imply disparate treatment. Maybe the real reason that Oracle favored hiring Asian students is that they are more talented than domestic alternatives?

In order to not abuse the h1b visa, they would have had to establish that there is no available local talent per an objective standard.

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I’ve been on h1b for over 7 years now , with no chance of getting a green card because I was born in India , all my immigrant friends who started working at the same time have already gotten their green cards - they all have the option to quit their jobs if they feel like they are being underpaid or exploited. But not me , I’m looking at 70 years before I get my freedom , until then I have to tolerate the indentured…

why would you spend so many years in a country where you feel enslaved?

Because hope , because I believe in America.

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Seems like such a simple issue to fix: the only condition for getting a specialist visa should be to find an employer willing to pay a specialist salary, say above 150K. Doctors included, I see no reason to protect them from competition. Hop jobs at will but need to maintain within 85% of that level. If a company can't find workers, it should pay more up until a level that puts the competitiveness of the economy unde…

Needs to be adjusted for cost of living, salary changes over time by profession (Tech salaries are in a bubble rn. which makes 150k reasonable by bay area standards, but they may go significantly up / down in the future) which is complicated enough but there's edge cases like Universities / Non profits etc. that can't pay salaries to compete with the private sector but people work there anyway because of passion.

I disagree, if you can find cheap programmers in Des Moines, Iowa, then by all means expand there, spread the love within the country before going for import labour. As for bubbles, that's the point, there shouldn't be any if labour is available and willing to come in.

Re: H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slavery or indentured servitude implies you have no choice. You do.

Easy for you to say. You're probably not bonded to your employer like the OP. Get your head out of the sand.

> You're probably not bonded to your employer like the OP.

No one gets an H-1B involuntarily, and it would be an unusual circumstance where someone who had one was not free to leave.

That said, I support liberating everyone bound by the H-1B by eliminating the visa category entirely.

Re: H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Needs to be adjusted for cost of living, salary changes over time by profession (Tech salaries are in a bubble rn. which makes 150k reasonable by bay area standards, but they may go significantly up / down in the future) which is complicated enough but there's edge cases like Universities / Non profits etc. that can't pay salaries to compete with the private sector but people work there anyway because of passion.

I disagree, if you can find cheap programmers in Des Moines, Iowa, then by all means expand there, spread the love within the country before going for import labour. As for bubbles, that's the point, there shouldn't be any if labour is available and willing to come in.

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