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Trump accepts deal for temporary end to painful shutdown

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Re: Trump accepts deal for temporary end to painful shutdown

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Post by ceejayoz »

huy-nguyen wrote: post #15
mfoy_ wrote: post #2

The summary of his speech was: Government will re-open through to Feb 15th. Back pay will be paid ASAP. He spoke about the wall for quite a while. If congress doesn't agree to fund his wall, he will shut the government back down on Feb 15th.

I think the 3-week thing is just a face-saving measure to allow Trump to back down and everyone involved will conveniently "forgets" about it in 3 weeks' time. Surely with the current breaking news cycle, will we even remember the shutdown in 3 weeks? If you don't believe me, come back to this comment in 3 weeks to see if I'm right.

They can't just forget about it. A permanent bill has to pass the House and Senate, and Trump has to sign it (or get overridden, which definitely won't accomplish the "face-saving" thing). Otherwise, the government shuts down again.

Re: Trump accepts deal for temporary end to painful shutdown

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Post by detaro »

mfoy_ wrote: post #6

Off-topic, but damn HN... I submitted the CNBC and CBSNews versions of this. One got zero up-votes, and the other got flagged.

Not surprising, given this is the perfect example of the "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." rule?

Re: Trump accepts deal for temporary end to painful shutdown

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Post by Supermancho »

the_gastropod wrote: post #5
mfoy_ wrote: post #2

The summary of his speech was: Government will re-open through to Feb 15th. Back pay will be paid ASAP. He spoke about the wall for quite a while. If congress doesn't agree to fund his wall, he will shut the government back down on Feb 15th.

I feel like I've repeatedly been proven wrong when I have these kinds of thoughts, but surely, he can't be stupid enough to try this stunt again. After 35 days of hurting people, he got nothing . He must realize shutting the government down to try to force his will is counter-productive, right?

Ironically, this is the check in the balance of the three branches. The Congress and The President must agree on a budget. It's sad that political game theory supersedes common sense planning ahead, but turning it around to "forcing will" mischaracterizes the propriety of the system. One day the US will evolve into a proper parliamentary system, but that should be shortly after we get instant binding political polls and have people born on mars (give or take 100+ years).

Anything he wants to spend on a wall, take from the military. If you're gonna spend it, shuffle it.

Re: Trump accepts deal for temporary end to painful shutdown

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Post by rjohnk »

donavanm wrote: post #12
mfoy_ wrote: post #2

The summary of his speech was: Government will re-open through to Feb 15th. Back pay will be paid ASAP. He spoke about the wall for quite a while. If congress doesn't agree to fund his wall, he will shut the government back down on Feb 15th.

Im confused here. I thought “the shutdown” was wholly due to congress having the sole authority for funding federal bodies. How does that settle with “he will shut the government back down”?

By law, the executive branch can't spend more money that what has been appropriated, so in theory any president has to "shut the government down"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antideficiency_Act

This is all subject to interpretation, mind you.

Re: Trump accepts deal for temporary end to painful shutdown

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Post by syspec »

mfoy_ wrote: post #7
the_gastropod wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like I've repeatedly been proven wrong when I have these kinds of thoughts, but surely, he can't be stupid enough to try this stunt again. After 35 days of hurting people, he got nothing . He must realize shutting the government down to try to force his will is counter-productive, right?

So, before he announced the details of the re-opening, he said that many of the furloughed employees strongly supported him and that many even encouraged him to continue the shutdown. He's living in his own version of reality.

I agree he is, but on the other hand those furloughed employees will receive back pay so an even more prolonged shutdown is essentially a paid vacation for the ones who have some savings.

So I’m sure /those/ employees might encourage a shutdown, but it isn’t because they believe in his cause

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Post by mfoy_ »

detaro wrote: post #22
mfoy_ wrote: post #6

Off-topic, but damn HN... I submitted the CNBC and CBSNews versions of this. One got zero up-votes, and the other got flagged.

Not surprising, given this is the perfect example of the " If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. " rule?

I can't argue with that

Re: Trump accepts deal for temporary end to painful shutdown

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Post by ignoramceisblis »

the_gastropod wrote: post #5
mfoy_ wrote: post #2

The summary of his speech was: Government will re-open through to Feb 15th. Back pay will be paid ASAP. He spoke about the wall for quite a while. If congress doesn't agree to fund his wall, he will shut the government back down on Feb 15th.

I feel like I've repeatedly been proven wrong when I have these kinds of thoughts, but surely, he can't be stupid enough to try this stunt again. After 35 days of hurting people, he got nothing . He must realize shutting the government down to try to force his will is counter-productive, right?

Negotiations fail to come to a close due to both parties, not one party. Saying one party is "stupid", has been "hurting people" and "got nothing" is far from the full picture. Both sides are attempting to "force [their] will".

What may seem reasonable to one party may seem unreasonable to the other, whether or not either party shows it outwardly.

Re: Trump accepts deal for temporary end to painful shutdown

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Post by krapp »

jdhn wrote: post #10

So if he's going to shut the government down on the 15th (because the wall isn't getting funded), what's the point of reopening it? His base will be ticked off, that's for sure.

>His base will be ticked off, that's for sure.

His base wants the wall, fully funded, and no quarter given to the Democrats or their agenda. His base also believes government is corrupt, bloated, wasteful and infested with leftists and globalist elites. This is exactly what his base wants.

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