Very interesting: > JMAP is not designed around a persistent network socket, so it’s perfect for webmail clients that connect, do stuff, then disconnect This would allow implementing JMAP in serverless architecture, e.g. self hosting on AWS lambda. That should be very cheap and significantly lower the barrier to self hosting (not needing to manage a box, just providing aws credentials). Think of what it takes to trul…
JMAP: Like IMAP but Not Really
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Re: JMAP: Like IMAP but Not Really
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Current state of calendaring is horrible, it's basically not possible right now to create compatible and reliable library/application.
Calendaring truly is surprisingly difficult. Dates and times just are not defined with computers in mind.
When I was working on calendaring project I've found lots of ways to create broken events in google calendar for example. They are completely valid according to RFC but absolutely not usable in apps.
Also there are working groups that STILL developing calendaring RFCs, they create tons of esoteric and cryptic documents every year.
P.S. When I write “RFC” I mean any well established standard.
Re: JMAP: Like IMAP but Not Really
#23Very interesting: > JMAP is not designed around a persistent network socket, so it’s perfect for webmail clients that connect, do stuff, then disconnect This would allow implementing JMAP in serverless architecture, e.g. self hosting on AWS lambda. That should be very cheap and significantly lower the barrier to self hosting (not needing to manage a box, just providing aws credentials). Think of what it takes to trul…
I'm not sure I understand: JMAP is designed for communication between the client and the mail server. But you still would need a mail server, always on, to receive the incoming mail from other servers, right ? Did I miss something about JMAP?
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#24I really want to see some innovation in the email space. The landscape is like a sea of false promises and dashed dreams. SMTP is one of the bread-and-butters of the internet, yet it just doesn't seem to be moving forward (maybe that's for the best), and no one's building extensions on top of it. Maybe I'm naive in thinking it was possible but we could have avoided this whole "make an account on X messenger so we can…
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#25The main failure in mail standards is a lack of explicit utf8 clean support lhs@rhs -if this got fixed (it's often called universal acceptance) a lot of things about mail as an ecology would improve. I have view on the spam thing. The whole "your idea will not work because" meme is hugely destructive of innovation in email. It sucks energy and mindshare. It's classic old timer put down. What would (imnsho opinion) ha…
Along with the billions of spam SMS that are also supposed to be sender-pays, sadly
Re: JMAP: Like IMAP but Not Really
#26The main failure in mail standards is a lack of explicit utf8 clean support lhs@rhs -if this got fixed (it's often called universal acceptance) a lot of things about mail as an ecology would improve. I have view on the spam thing. The whole "your idea will not work because" meme is hugely destructive of innovation in email. It sucks energy and mindshare. It's classic old timer put down. What would (imnsho opinion) ha…
Re: JMAP: Like IMAP but Not Really
#27Very interesting: > JMAP is not designed around a persistent network socket, so it’s perfect for webmail clients that connect, do stuff, then disconnect This would allow implementing JMAP in serverless architecture, e.g. self hosting on AWS lambda. That should be very cheap and significantly lower the barrier to self hosting (not needing to manage a box, just providing aws credentials). Think of what it takes to trul…
Re: JMAP: Like IMAP but Not Really
#28The main failure in mail standards is a lack of explicit utf8 clean support lhs@rhs -if this got fixed (it's often called universal acceptance) a lot of things about mail as an ecology would improve. I have view on the spam thing. The whole "your idea will not work because" meme is hugely destructive of innovation in email. It sucks energy and mindshare. It's classic old timer put down. What would (imnsho opinion) ha…
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#29I recently thought about email being based on such an old standard and then I wondered if maybe it didn't matter anymore, because most of the web is moving to gmail, and my guess is (and somebody please correct me) that when I send an email from gmail to gmail, that no actual SMTP is involved? I'm assuming that they have some internal protocol that is just adapter'd to "Email" at the very end?
This isn't true; there's a LOT of industry on Exchange of some sort, and plenty of older institutions running their own email. Especially in IETF land.
And it's a huge risk increase if everyone moves everything to gmail.
Re: JMAP: Like IMAP but Not Really
#30I really want to see some innovation in the email space. The landscape is like a sea of false promises and dashed dreams. SMTP is one of the bread-and-butters of the internet, yet it just doesn't seem to be moving forward (maybe that's for the best), and no one's building extensions on top of it. Maybe I'm naive in thinking it was possible but we could have avoided this whole "make an account on X messenger so we can…
> make an account
You are required to make an account somewhere so your account can be banned if you spam, basically.