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Re: Tensorflow 2.0 Preview

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Post by hippich »

fizixer wrote: post #14
dare0505 wrote: post #4

What's interesting about Google is, they can have open source products that are hated a big % of devs (Angular) and something that doesn't have that problem (Tensorflow). I wonder what's the underlying issue behind this disparity. Wonder if it the teams themselves behind those products...

A lot responses challenging your Angular-is-hated claim, but I'd like to challenge your other one. Tensorflow is not necessarily the most loved framework, despite it being in python, and being around for years now. This is in stark contrast to the way TF was marketed and hyped up, as the f/w that's going to take over the world of DL. That clearly didn't happen. I think torch/pytorch is more popular (but don't quote m…

what other viable projects besides tf/torch you would recommend to take a look at?

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Post by typicalbender »

dare0505 wrote: post #4

What's interesting about Google is, they can have open source products that are hated a big % of devs (Angular) and something that doesn't have that problem (Tensorflow). I wonder what's the underlying issue behind this disparity. Wonder if it the teams themselves behind those products...

Old opinions strongly held. I think Angular 1 left a bad taste in peoples mouths and that gets carried over in perpetuity. Take php for example, I'm sure you can find plenty of devs who haven't touched php in 10+ years but will still say they despise it.

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Post by liuliu »

hippich wrote: post #21
fizixer wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot responses challenging your Angular-is-hated claim, but I'd like to challenge your other one. Tensorflow is not necessarily the most loved framework, despite it being in python, and being around for years now. This is in stark contrast to the way TF was marketed and hyped up, as the f/w that's going to take over the world of DL. That clearly didn't happen. I think torch/pytorch is more popular (but don't quote m…

what other viable projects besides tf/torch you would recommend to take a look at?

I think there are dozens of inference frameworks. But full featured ones probably just TF / PyTorch / mxnet / Chainer that I am aware of (since caffe2 is merged into PyTorch).

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Post by breck »

jyrkesh wrote: post #3

Couldn't find anything about it, but does anyone know if it supports Python 3.7 yet? Just messed around with TF yesterday on a Windows dev box, and the version downgrade shuffle was annoying .

Burned by the same problem. A while ago I switched to never doing any DL without using a conda environment.

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Post by dekhn »

dare0505 wrote: post #4

What's interesting about Google is, they can have open source products that are hated a big % of devs (Angular) and something that doesn't have that problem (Tensorflow). I wonder what's the underlying issue behind this disparity. Wonder if it the teams themselves behind those products...

you might not be aware but there is a lot of unhappiness with TensorFlow in the community. For example, I hear many comments about how complex it is, how hard the basic API is to use, how many random parts it's acquired. Most of those people point at Torch, and in fact tensorflow is adopting some of Torch's approaches for this reason.

It will be interesting to see if tensorflow retains a fairly high level of popularity over time. The 1->2 transition is a big risk for them because so many people are on TF 1, there's a ton of intrusive changes.

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Post by turtlebits »

parthdesai wrote: post #19
dylanz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It gets a lot of hate on HN when compared to React/Vue/etc, but I used it for years and it was a breathe of fresh air coming from raw JS. I think a lot of people on HN form opinions on software and its landscape without actually using it or interacting with its community (outside of HN).

Have used both, though granted React was the first SPA i learnt and i had to use Angular 1.x (shudders) and i absolutely hate working Angular 1.x.

It's so weird to me that AngularJS (1.x) is a polarizing as Electron.

It has it's warts, but I still love it as it's productivity factor is off the charts. Tried getting into Vue but do not want to deal with the complexity of learning a build tool. Could not get routing to work in Vue with static files.

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Post by stochastic_monk »

nabla9 wrote: post #5
dare0505 wrote: post #4

What's interesting about Google is, they can have open source products that are hated a big % of devs (Angular) and something that doesn't have that problem (Tensorflow). I wonder what's the underlying issue behind this disparity. Wonder if it the teams themselves behind those products...

Maybe it's the software itself and nothing associated with it. When something is 'Google' it's not automatically good or bad.

I see PyTorch and, to a much lesser extent, DyNet used in state-of-the-art NLP applications. I wonder if PyTorch is “winning”.

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Post by mattkrause »

dare0505 wrote: post #4

What's interesting about Google is, they can have open source products that are hated a big % of devs (Angular) and something that doesn't have that problem (Tensorflow). I wonder what's the underlying issue behind this disparity. Wonder if it the teams themselves behind those products...

There’s some frustration with tensorflow too. It often feels like there are a dozen different, somewhat incompatible ways to do 90% of something.
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