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Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by detaro » Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 4:24 PM UTC

lbj wrote: post #12

I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

> In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns.

So your government decided to go overboard with enforcement (instead of classifying cinnamon buns as a traditional good and exempt, like the Swedish did, if those are a big issue in Denmark) and that's purely the EU's fault? (Or did they did not go overboard and regular food safety inspections with one more thing to test on the list got styled as "cinnamon patrols"?)

The EU certainly has very far reach and goes into pedantic detail, which isn't always good, but states love to redirect annoyance at their crap implementation on it. That's still partially a problem with it, but still annoys me.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by lbj » Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 4:25 PM UTC

vardump wrote: post #20

lbj wrote: post #12

I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

Yeah. Remove EU and I'm sure Russia will be happy to take over your little countries. Individually European countries are pretty weak. They're only strong as a common entity.

Pretty sure NATO would survive the dismantling of some bureaucracy.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by emptyfile » Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC

lbj wrote: post #12

I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

>I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact

Well when you write obviously non factual nonsense like

>The EU is the opposite: One giant thing which does nothing well

You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this

>In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns.

And imply its the EU's fault, you get downvoted.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by BlackFly » Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 4:31 PM UTC

I wish that the EFF would include links to the updated directive. The latest I can find is the language as of 2018-05-25 (http://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/35373/st09134-en18.pdf) which doesn't contain the terms "commercial platforms", "news site" or link. It does leave the definition of "unsubstantial parts" up to member states, which is indeed worrying from a single market perspective.

Furthermore, that wording contradicts EFF's assertion for article 13 that unlicensed content is not allowed to appear, "even for an instant." Since all that is needed to avoid liability is to perform effective and proportionate efforts to prevent availability and to react expeditiously upon notification. Proportionality and effectiveness explicitly depend on the size of the content provider: a new streaming video service would explicitly need to do less than YouTube. Has the updated documentation explicitly removed the provision about expeditious action upon notification? Because the exception proves the rule (the rule being that unlicensed content is indeed allowed to appear for more than an instant).

So... links to spam commissioners but no links to verify that EFF is presenting a fair reading of the updated documents.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by cft » Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 4:34 PM UTC

diminoten wrote: post #16

lixtra wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RTFA: > If you live in the rest of Europe: please contact the ministers working on the Copyright in the Digital Single Market directive. We'll update this page with more information as we get it.

What about those of us who don't live in Europe?

Block EU IPs if you are running a niche service with UGC. EU internet is cable TV basically now + illegal stuff outside of law enforcement reach

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by morsma » Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

vardump wrote: post #20

lbj wrote: post #12

I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

Yeah. Remove EU and I'm sure Russia will be happy to take over your little countries. Individually European countries are pretty weak. They're only strong as a common entity.

Why on earth would Russia want to take over Denmark?

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by morsma » Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 4:38 PM UTC

emptyfile wrote: post #23

lbj wrote: post #12

I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

>I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact Well when you write obviously non factual nonsense like >The EU is the opposite: One giant thing which does nothing well You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this >In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkle…

>You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this

Can you name anything the EU has done well?

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by morsma » Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 4:41 PM UTC

lbj wrote: post #12

I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

As a Dane, I completely agree with this post.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by lbj » Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 4:42 PM UTC

emptyfile wrote: post #23

lbj wrote: post #12

I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

>I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact Well when you write obviously non factual nonsense like >The EU is the opposite: One giant thing which does nothing well You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this >In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkle…

I'm glad you find it hillarious. You must not be paying for it.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by lbj » Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 4:43 PM UTC

morsma wrote: post #26

vardump wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. Remove EU and I'm sure Russia will be happy to take over your little countries. Individually European countries are pretty weak. They're only strong as a common entity.

Why on earth would Russia want to take over Denmark?

I think they're after our excess cinnamon