The Intel i9-9999.999999 is what I am going to wait for. Until I can get my hands on it I will get along with a thread ripper v3.
Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
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Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#22Also notable for a huge increase in TDP from the next-slower model (255 W vs 165 W) - and it has four fewer cores. > Other details about the chip that we have learned include that it will have a listed TDP of 255W, which means the peak power will be higher. Motherboard vendors will have to support 420 amps on the power delivery for the chip (which at 1.3 volts would be 546 watts), and up to 30 amps per core.
550+ watts is insane. That is spaceheater territory. Residential outlets start tripping at 1500-2000 watts. How soon we will have to run even basic gaming machines off multiple outlets.
Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#23What this says to me is don't bother trying to super overclock a i9-9940X, Intel has already skimmed off the cream from that chip run. It seems kind of scummy, but I guess otherwise your rare stable overclock chip might end up in some boring business server where it will always run at stock clocks. I do note that Intel still wants nothing to do with overclocked chips in their warranty department, even when they did t…
>It seems kind of scummy how is it scummy? is because intel's efficiently allocating those CPUs (via auction market), rather than randomly giving them out?
An economist might call it efficient, but most would call it greed
Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#24What this says to me is don't bother trying to super overclock a i9-9940X, Intel has already skimmed off the cream from that chip run. It seems kind of scummy, but I guess otherwise your rare stable overclock chip might end up in some boring business server where it will always run at stock clocks. I do note that Intel still wants nothing to do with overclocked chips in their warranty department, even when they did t…
>It seems kind of scummy how is it scummy? is because intel's efficiently allocating those CPUs (via auction market), rather than randomly giving them out?
It's (a little bit) scummy, because they're selling them on auction, which has a decent chance of flogging them for orders of magnitude more than they'd ordinarily sell them for, with the added bonus that they don't have to honor any warranty stuff since they're going to be clocked to hell.
Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#25Also notable for a huge increase in TDP from the next-slower model (255 W vs 165 W) - and it has four fewer cores. > Other details about the chip that we have learned include that it will have a listed TDP of 255W, which means the peak power will be higher. Motherboard vendors will have to support 420 amps on the power delivery for the chip (which at 1.3 volts would be 546 watts), and up to 30 amps per core.
That is insane, like the worst of the Pentium4 NetBurst era when AMD was competitive at the high end and Intel decided to try to clock their way out of the problem. Granted this is a one-off chip to grab headlines and not a long term micro-architecture commitment.
But between this and the fiasco when Intel announced a 28-core 5 GHz chip[0] (without mentioning the 1800 W industrial water chiller needed to cool it), it's starting to sound desperate in its attempts to deflect attention from AMD's EPYC and Threadripper high-core-count chips.
[0] https://www.anandtech.com/show/12907/we-got-a-sneak-peak-on-...
Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#26Also notable for a huge increase in TDP from the next-slower model (255 W vs 165 W) - and it has four fewer cores. > Other details about the chip that we have learned include that it will have a listed TDP of 255W, which means the peak power will be higher. Motherboard vendors will have to support 420 amps on the power delivery for the chip (which at 1.3 volts would be 546 watts), and up to 30 amps per core.
550+ watts is insane. That is spaceheater territory. Residential outlets start tripping at 1500-2000 watts. How soon we will have to run even basic gaming machines off multiple outlets.
I've never tripped an outlet on less than 2500 watts, and that was an old electrical network... Did I get lucky or do standards vary in different countries?
Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
550+ watts is insane. That is spaceheater territory. Residential outlets start tripping at 1500-2000 watts. How soon we will have to run even basic gaming machines off multiple outlets.
I've never tripped an outlet on less than 2500 watts, and that was an old electrical network... Did I get lucky or do standards vary in different countries?
Most circuits trip on current, because I^2R heating is what causes fires in house wiring, 15A is relatively common, to get power you multiply by voltage which varies by country, in US that gives you 1800W and UK it’s 3600W. There are a ton of circuits which aren’t 15A though.
If you live in UK, you might note that electric tea kettles work fine, but in the US they do not (they’re too slow). That’s the biggest practical difference to my mind, very few other portable appliances need that kind of juice, except the biggest space heaters. Big, fixed appliances get wired differently.
Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
550+ watts is insane. That is spaceheater territory. Residential outlets start tripping at 1500-2000 watts. How soon we will have to run even basic gaming machines off multiple outlets.
I've never tripped an outlet on less than 2500 watts, and that was an old electrical network... Did I get lucky or do standards vary in different countries?
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Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#29What this says to me is don't bother trying to super overclock a i9-9940X, Intel has already skimmed off the cream from that chip run. It seems kind of scummy, but I guess otherwise your rare stable overclock chip might end up in some boring business server where it will always run at stock clocks. I do note that Intel still wants nothing to do with overclocked chips in their warranty department, even when they did t…
Specialist retailers and integrators have been super-binning chips for years. Intel are just taking a piece of that pie.
Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
>It seems kind of scummy how is it scummy? is because intel's efficiently allocating those CPUs (via auction market), rather than randomly giving them out?
It's (a little bit) scummy, because they're selling them on auction, which has a decent chance of flogging them for orders of magnitude more than they'd ordinarily sell them for, with the added bonus that they don't have to honor any warranty stuff since they're going to be clocked to hell.
> It's (a little bit) scummy, because they're selling them on auction, which has a decent chance of flogging them for orders of magnitude more than they'd ordinarily sell them for,
It seems to me that demand is far higher than supply, thus the auction ensures that those who really want them will have a realistic shot of getting one. That's far better than having to resort to buying them from price-gouging scalpers.