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Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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Post by notus »

xupybd wrote: post #9

>“It’s sad, but the good news is there's a simple intervention — don't give report cards on Friday.” Yeah that avoids the one instance of child abuse but that's not the big picture here. How is it that there are that many people that struggle to cope that this is common enough to show up in this research. I feel for both the parents and the children here. If something like grades are causing the parents to lash out a…

I feel like we are kind of doing a disservice to children by even having grades K-8. I don't really see what the value is in having them. Parents over focus on it and seem to measure their own child's worth based on grades and children also seem to measure their own self worth based on grades. IMO there is no case where a child that young should be failing anything, if they are failing a class that young there is something seriously wrong going on with the child which needs to be addressed ASAP or there is something wrong with the teacher. (I'll also add that it could be something wrong with the pedagogy if the majority of the grade is determined by homework assignments but I still think that falls in the category of something going on with the child)

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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Post by educationdata »

nkozyra wrote: post #14
educationdata wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is absolutely insane? The existence of "corporal punishment" or "physical abuse"? According to the quoted sentence ("prevent corporal punishment that crosses the line into abuse"), corporal punishment is not the same as abuse. The article also says: "Corporal punishment may include pain but is not supposed to result in injury; corporal punishment resulting in injury is physical abuse." So the line is whether the…

> What is absolutely insane? The existence of "corporal punishment" or "physical abuse"? Corporal punishment as administered by schools.

It is just not illegal, it does not mean the schools or teachers are actually doing it.

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

seasoup wrote: post #6
daodedickinson wrote: post #5

>She and her colleagues suspect that the increase is due to children being physically punished for their grades, “but it might be something else we don't know about,” she said. Fucking duh. How could they have this statistic be accurate at all but not have anyone ask any of the kids? We would have told them "FUCKING DUH". Got into a #1 grad program for my major, dropped out because by then my parents chilled out I re…

“Now I live in my parents' basement and when they die I will be homeless.” Is that the fate someone else picked out for you? Change it.

Yes, but it's not that simple. Our daughter was abused, by a relative that we were trying to help. It can take years to (at least somewhat) undo the damage.

Yes, the GP needs to get to work - not primarily externally, but on the internal damage. But it's not nearly as simple and easy as you make it sound.

daodedickinson: This may be too hard to do alone. There are people who can help. Find them. Stick with it. It's a long road, but worth walking.

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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Post by gizmo686 »

educationdata wrote: post #20
gizmo686 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non paywalled https://www.gulfcoastkidshouse.org/cms/_fle/871-71165-71064-...

It is strange that the study does not report raw numbers of instance. How many happened after post card release vs. not after post card release? I can't find the raw numbers of such. Only raw number of breaking down by race. Also, "Of the 167906 calls to the child abuse hotline for children aged 5 to 11 years, 2017 (6.7%) were verified as physical abuse cases". Only 6.7% verified???

>Only 6.7% verified???

I have complaints about the quality of the study, but this is not one of them. Keep in mind that anyone in Florida who suspects abuse is required to report it to the hotline. Probably more significant is the more traditional mandated reporters, who are trained to report any suspicion of abuse, out of both an abundance of caution and to protect themselves from liability. By design, such hotlines have a high false positive rate.

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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Post by Aloha »

notus wrote: post #21
xupybd wrote: post #9

>“It’s sad, but the good news is there's a simple intervention — don't give report cards on Friday.” Yeah that avoids the one instance of child abuse but that's not the big picture here. How is it that there are that many people that struggle to cope that this is common enough to show up in this research. I feel for both the parents and the children here. If something like grades are causing the parents to lash out a…

I feel like we are kind of doing a disservice to children by even having grades K-8. I don't really see what the value is in having them. Parents over focus on it and seem to measure their own child's worth based on grades and children also seem to measure their own self worth based on grades. IMO there is no case where a child that young should be failing anything, if they are failing a class that young there is som…

I think some feedback system is important, you need a mechanism to let the parents know Johnny is struggling and need something to help them.

That said, letter grades are useless to gradeschoolers (K-5).

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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Post by b_tterc_p »

They had 2,000 data points... so they looked at the proportion of points on a given day when there was a report card released the previous day and when there wasn’t. Assuming Saturday’s accounted for, let’s say 20% of the population (blindly assuming) then they had about 400 data points and got a p value of 0.02. I’m assuming they did something to normalize for the number of days because there’s going to be far fewer report card days... idk. I think their statistics are probably shaky. Their confidence interval places the effect size at (20% to 1100%) if I’m reading correctly.

I might believe that report cards increase rates of abuse but the idea that Friday is something special is probably just due to not having enough data for other days.

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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Post by educationdata »

devoply wrote: post #15
xupybd wrote: post #9

>“It’s sad, but the good news is there's a simple intervention — don't give report cards on Friday.” Yeah that avoids the one instance of child abuse but that's not the big picture here. How is it that there are that many people that struggle to cope that this is common enough to show up in this research. I feel for both the parents and the children here. If something like grades are causing the parents to lash out a…

Schools just sort of happened at the behest of industrialists. There isn't actually that much thought put into the concept of schools much less all that follows from them. They are simply taken as granted despite the fact that they are a relatively recent invention. "The Founding Fathers in their wisdom decided that children were an unnatural strain on parents. So they provided jails called schools, equipped with tor…

School is not a recent invention. Public school is recent invention.

Also, there is much thought put into schooling. Curriculum (what to teach), instruction (how to teach), school administration, etc.

I am not saying schools are perfect, but claim schools are the same as jails, education is the same as torture, it's just bullsh*t.

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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Post by ebg13 »

educationdata wrote: post #20
gizmo686 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non paywalled https://www.gulfcoastkidshouse.org/cms/_fle/871-71165-71064-...

It is strange that the study does not report raw numbers of instance. How many happened after post card release vs. not after post card release? I can't find the raw numbers of such. Only raw number of breaking down by race. Also, "Of the 167906 calls to the child abuse hotline for children aged 5 to 11 years, 2017 (6.7%) were verified as physical abuse cases". Only 6.7% verified???

> Only 6.7% verified???

Verified "as physical abuse cases", meaning that the rest were deemed to not be.

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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Post by Kuzutsukake »

xupybd wrote: post #9

>“It’s sad, but the good news is there's a simple intervention — don't give report cards on Friday.” Yeah that avoids the one instance of child abuse but that's not the big picture here. How is it that there are that many people that struggle to cope that this is common enough to show up in this research. I feel for both the parents and the children here. If something like grades are causing the parents to lash out a…

I'm thinking report cards released on Friday increase parent-child interaction across the board, both good and bad;that a child is more likely to be encouraged for good grades, disciplined for bad ones, or simply asked how their day was.

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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Post by notus »

Aloha wrote: post #25
notus wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like we are kind of doing a disservice to children by even having grades K-8. I don't really see what the value is in having them. Parents over focus on it and seem to measure their own child's worth based on grades and children also seem to measure their own self worth based on grades. IMO there is no case where a child that young should be failing anything, if they are failing a class that young there is som…

I think some feedback system is important, you need a mechanism to let the parents know Johnny is struggling and need something to help them. That said, letter grades are useless to gradeschoolers (K-5).

I think if the feedback was more along the lines of the teacher getting in touch with the parent to discuss decline in performance or something it might go better for the child. There is something just really indifferent and also ambiguous about letter grades and more specifically the Unsatisfactory/Satisfactory/Outstanding rating system for younger children. I believe the age range they measured was children 5-11 so pretty young in this context.
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