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IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by waddlesplash »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #18
agildehaus wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haiku is basically BeOS R5 plus some much needed modernization. Great stuff. We need an open-source operating system 100% focused on the desktop.

> We need an open-source operating system 100% focused on the desktop. I agree. In my opinion though, Haiku's insistence on becoming just another platform to run your UNIX software stack on means it will probably never succeed at that goal.

In case you haven't noticed, a majority of people on Windows or macOS use software that was originally part of the "UNIX software stack" -- between SSH, bash, GCC, FFmpeg, etc. I am pretty sure you could find at least one piece of "originally UNIX" software that at least a majority of programmers using any given OS use.

Anyway, I think you miss the point of Haiku if you think it'll never get anywhere because of how much UNIX software runs on it. It's not here just to "be different from everyone else." The POSIX API makes a lot of sense; anyone going against it has to have a particularly good reason to do so. Even Apple doesn't, for the most part.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by scroot »

waddlesplash wrote: post #21
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We need an open-source operating system 100% focused on the desktop. I agree. In my opinion though, Haiku's insistence on becoming just another platform to run your UNIX software stack on means it will probably never succeed at that goal.

In case you haven't noticed, a majority of people on Windows or macOS use software that was originally part of the "UNIX software stack" -- between SSH, bash, GCC, FFmpeg, etc. I am pretty sure you could find at least one piece of "originally UNIX" software that at least a majority of programmers using any given OS use. Anyway, I think you miss the point of Haiku if you think it'll never get anywhere because of how m…

Unix is indeed ubiquitous, but it would be nice to have a personal computing system whose core metaphor is something other than a teletype.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by joshumax »

Apocryphon wrote: post #16
captainbland wrote: post #6

That's a really impressive achievement I think, those are complex applications running on complex stacks. It's certainly a big step in the direction of making Haiku a system that a developer could plausibly run for the development of cross-platform applications. This coupled with the Libre Office port last year means there's a pretty strong selection of applications for it cropping up.

I wonder if Valve has hackathons and if the Proton guys want a new challenge.

I worked at CodeWeavers during the development of Proton, and one of the biggest hurdles for getting Wine (and therefore Proton) running on Haiku is the memory layout of Haiku[1] and subsequent failures of mmap(). I have a Haiku port that runs basic applications out-of-tree, but many Win32 programs crash on Haiku still.

1: https://wiki.winehq.org/Haiku

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by Klover »

raitucarp wrote: post #14

Awesome. But, I suggest Haiku people need hire ui/ux for their default theme/window. It will sure attract more user to try this OS as alternative.

So I know dang watches the content of comments to see if they’re up to the guidelines, but does dang also look at excessive downvotes? The comment here is greyed out, something that should only be reserved for highly offensive comments. Which this is not...

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by waddlesplash »

joshumax wrote: post #23
Apocryphon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if Valve has hackathons and if the Proton guys want a new challenge.

I worked at CodeWeavers during the development of Proton, and one of the biggest hurdles for getting Wine (and therefore Proton) running on Haiku is the memory layout of Haiku[1] and subsequent failures of mmap(). I have a Haiku port that runs basic applications out-of-tree, but many Win32 programs crash on Haiku still. 1: https://wiki.winehq.org/Haiku

The memory layout of Haiku x86_64 is identical to that of Linux. Perhaps you should try there first?

At any rate, we'd love to at least have your patchset in HaikuPorts, even if it's not quite ready for prime-time yet.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by quink »

raitucarp wrote: post #14

Awesome. But, I suggest Haiku people need hire ui/ux for their default theme/window. It will sure attract more user to try this OS as alternative.

Functional, cohesive and pretty.

I’m more than happy if the former two are done and dusted and my experience with BeOS and since on the former two has been pretty good. If something is pretty but not functional, people won’t use it. If something is functional but not pretty, it’ll get used nevertheless.

People might say it’s a false dichotomy but GNOME 3 and early Windows 8 are substantial examples of the opposite.

Windows 95 wasn’t pretty in any traditional aesthetic sense but by god was it ever functional and cohesive and successful despite basic bitmap faux-3D. Nobody cared.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by arthurcolle »

I just downloaded the .iso and couldn't get WebPositive to return any web pages. I also ran a few web searches and couldn't figure out what the command is to install new packages. Just making some observations.

It seems like a very performant and simple OS (which is a welcome alternative compared to macOS) but these are pretty glaring problems for a user starting out. For a project that's been around for over a decade, that's a little bit of a red flag.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by scroot »

quink wrote: post #27
raitucarp wrote: post #14

Awesome. But, I suggest Haiku people need hire ui/ux for their default theme/window. It will sure attract more user to try this OS as alternative.

Functional, cohesive and pretty. I’m more than happy if the former two are done and dusted and my experience with BeOS and since on the former two has been pretty good. If something is pretty but not functional, people won’t use it. If something is functional but not pretty, it’ll get used nevertheless. People might say it’s a false dichotomy but GNOME 3 and early Windows 8 are substantial examples of the opposite. W…

The BeOS and Platinum interfaces are among the best ever created

Re: IntelliJ IDEA and PyCharm Running on Haiku

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Post by kitsunesoba »

agildehaus wrote: post #8
dnos wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have apparently been living under a rock and hadn’t heard of Haiku. Looking at the screenshots, it instantly reminded me of BeOS. I ended up reading the Wikipedia page on BeOS for some nostalgia and it mentioned Haiku. Glad to see BeOS still around in some form — definitely was ahead of its time!

Haiku is basically BeOS R5 plus some much needed modernization. Great stuff. We need an open-source operating system 100% focused on the desktop.

Totally agree. It’s great that the Linux desktop experience has come as far as it has, but it still suffers from compromises as a result of being general purpose at best and server oriented at worst. Haiku can make technical decisions that make sense for a desktop OS without also negatively impacting other uses.
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