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Personal Finance Lessons for Technology Professionals

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Re: Personal Finance Lessons for Technology Professionals

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I strongly encourage Technology professionals (and everyone else) to learn some basic personal finance and how to effectively (1) set aside some cash for emergencies, (2) pay off and keep off high interest debt, and (3) invest for the long term, i.e., retirement. But this rambling post which is heavily focused on Troy's personal experiences and anecdotes isn't a particularly great resource for teaching anyone persona…

You're right in the anecdotal nature of Troy's trajectory in life. In fairness to him I think he did acknowledge several slices of luck that he enjoyed. I'd regard him as an outlier and as some have point out there is an element of survivorship bias with respects to his outcomes and the narrative he's built around out. But I think you highlight the benefit of learning some basic personal finance principles and simply just taking the time and thinking 5, 10, 20 years into the future. Generally I think the key is about taking responsibility for my life and taking steps that might lead me to a better future regardless of the starting point.

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post #9

Quite a disagreeable post, in my opinion. > Which leads me to the "but money can't buy happiness" position so many people have repeated over the years. Bull. Shit. Anyone who has ever said that simply doesn't know where to shop. If happiness for you is about things you buy in shops, then you are a shallow person, and you are missing out. A lot. In fact you are poor, but in a spiritual sense. The next statement: "mone…

There's more to it than material consumption too.

Money buys the ability to follow expensive hobbies. e.g. skiing, travel, anything that requires lessons to pick-up as a skill.

Money affords the ability to travel at convenient times instead of cheaper off-peak schedules, so that you ultimately spend more time with your family and friends.

Capital investment can help creative pursuits, such as a well-stocked kitchen greatly increasing the amount of joy you can have when cooking, or the benefits of being able to relax with a home cinema/gaming/sound system that you can be truly immersed in.

Most importantly, it brings peace of mind. In my opinion one of the greatest freedoms is not having to worry about the future. Something you don't appreciate until you gain it, and something you could never imagine giving up once you've experienced it.

Don't kid yourself that you can't buy happiness. It won't dig you out of a hole if you have deeper issues, but it's definitely a significant platform to stand upon.

Re: Personal Finance Lessons for Technology Professionals

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post #12
post #9

Quite a disagreeable post, in my opinion. > Which leads me to the "but money can't buy happiness" position so many people have repeated over the years. Bull. Shit. Anyone who has ever said that simply doesn't know where to shop. If happiness for you is about things you buy in shops, then you are a shallow person, and you are missing out. A lot. In fact you are poor, but in a spiritual sense. The next statement: "mone…

Eh, to each their own. If Troy enjoys expensive cars, what the hell. It's his money. I'm not into expensive toys either but I don't judge other people for "materialism" and feel superior about my woo-woo individuality / spirituality. I would agree with Troy's conclusion that "money buys happiness," but take a different tack. Money buys financial security, and financial security buys avoiding many kinds of hardship an…

Money buys financial security

I'm not sure about that, there seems to be plenty of research that shows people never really feel financially secure, no matter how much they have. Clearly there is a minimum standard you need to reach but I don't think that's what we are talking about here.

Re: Personal Finance Lessons for Technology Professionals

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post #9

Quite a disagreeable post, in my opinion. > Which leads me to the "but money can't buy happiness" position so many people have repeated over the years. Bull. Shit. Anyone who has ever said that simply doesn't know where to shop. If happiness for you is about things you buy in shops, then you are a shallow person, and you are missing out. A lot. In fact you are poor, but in a spiritual sense. The next statement: "mone…

Classic Paper on that Topic:

Dunn, Gilbert, Wilson - If Money Doesn't Make You Happy Then You Probably Aren't Spending It Right

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/danielgilbert/files/if-mon...

TL;DR:

1. Buy experiences instead of things

2. Help others instead of yourself

3. Buy many small pleasures instead of a few big ones

4. Buy insurance that's worthwhile

5. Pay now and consume later

6. Think about what you're not thinking about

7. Follow the herd instead of your head (sometimes)

8. Beware of comparison shopping

Re: Personal Finance Lessons for Technology Professionals

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post #3

I enjoyed the clip on taxes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBg7DnQjjcY

Yada Yada Taxes are theft... oh my. Just gotta love how this white, Australian born cis-male was educated in a public school, going there every day over public roads, in a town kept safe by public police, in a house that never burned down because of public firefighters, never fearing saying the wrong thing in a free constitutional democracy protected by judges, politicians and a military — lecturing everyone about th…

He never said he did it all by himself. He did say they were not spending the money accordingly, which is likely true of most governments.

I love my universal healthcare and pensions and am happy to pay a good tax rate for that, but many people seem to assume that it's just OK for governments to tax, and tax, and then tax some more.

Also, a motivated person is going to find loopholes in the tax code. That is essentially the result of being able to structure your own affairs the way you want, unlike, say, an employee. Don't blame the person understanding the rules well -- he's playing by the book after all.

Re: Personal Finance Lessons for Technology Professionals

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I respect his work and contributions to the field but the message of this post has kind of been lost in the Tony Robbins style motivation fluff. Most of us, for example, didn't/wont have the capital to buy multiple investment properties at the age of 25.

The real takeaway: don't waste your money, don't get into too much debt, invest your money and invest in yourself. Every motivational speaker/guru/life coach will say the same thing.

Re: Personal Finance Lessons for Technology Professionals

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post #2

I expected a better article to be honest. Some of the ideas are correct, but I think the perspective is overall wrong. For one he is probably ten times richer than the average tech worker. But you don't want to be rich as much as you want to be wealthy. And that isn't just about money. My friends in other industries didn't make as much in their twenties, but the are relatively wealthy in their thirties. Their career,…

Out of curiosity, how do your define wealth and in what forms do your 30s non-tech friends have it and your tech friends don't?

Re: Personal Finance Lessons for Technology Professionals

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That Kerry Packer clip is terrible. In summary he says (and I'm trying to neutrally paraphrase his words):

"Since I was a boy, 10,000 new laws have been passed, and the country isn't any better. The new laws that have been passed are just for the sake of it, and you take away someone's freedom every time you pass a new law"

This sounds a lot like the Trumpian:

"If there’s a new regulation, they have to knock out two. But it goes far beyond that, we’re cutting regulations massively for small business and for large business"

Yes, there exists duplicitous and over-zealous legislation, but most of it is written to protect the rights of people. Since Mr Packer was a boy, Australia has new rights for gay people, aboriginal people, a great deal more environmental protection, and so on and so on.

The "rich person appeals to common sense by saying they shouldn't be regulated" meme needs to die a death.

Re: Personal Finance Lessons for Technology Professionals

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The best piece of financial advice I can give people just starting out (e.g. early 20s), especially if they are working in startups, is this: make sure you have enough cash savings so that you can afford to be unemployed for at least 2-3 months. Besides the obvious safety net to ensure you aren't out on the streets in the event you leave/lose your job, the more important reason for this is so that you can afford to be picky about where you work next.

The opportunity cost of making a sub-optimal choice when it comes to employment is huge, both financially and in terms of your career. Taking a hit on a few months pay is a complete no-brainer if it means you can take a job that you find intellectually stimulating, gets you out of bed in the morning, and offers better long term compensation.

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