Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would you be removing it from society? Presumably you will be using it in the future.
The area under the curve is empty until then.
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#22Let's imagine you are providing future options to Congolese farmers, but you know you can poison the water supply and cause specific crops to fail. In this situation you, you sell the Congolese farmer a contract stating that he will sell his crop for a specific price while you know the constrained supply will increase the price to absurd levels.
Know you just got a bunch of money and yes you provided "value" to the farmer but at the cost of everyone else.
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#23You can trivialize almost any profession by stating it reductively. "All we do is put boxes on a page, or change the color of the boxes." OK, well all a farmer does is dig some dirt, and sometimes put some plant bits into it or pull some out. All most doctors do is talk to patients and sometimes give them some pills. All a soldier does is point guns and pull triggers. All a factory worker does is pretend to be a robo…
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#24You can trivialize almost any profession by stating it reductively. "All we do is put boxes on a page, or change the color of the boxes." OK, well all a farmer does is dig some dirt, and sometimes put some plant bits into it or pull some out. All most doctors do is talk to patients and sometimes give them some pills. All a soldier does is point guns and pull triggers. All a factory worker does is pretend to be a robo…
It seems more like a personal cry that they don’t find the work fulfilling, but it’s far and away from earning something for nothing.
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#25On first read I thought that this was incorrect, but on pondering a bit more, I think it's sound -- the observation is that in effect you're creating new Congolese money, and you've not actually produced any value to add into the economy, you've just increased the numerator in the equation.
(Taking the example further, if there's 100 CDF in circulation, and you add 100 CDF to the economy, then you'd have to reindex and make everything cost 2x. The only reason this isn't obvious is because it takes time/transactions for this price signal to equilibrate through the economy, and so it's impossible to measure on the scale that the example considers. Perhaps this is more obvious if we reconsider the thought experiment with X=(Congolese GDP).)
On the other hand, if you were to hand over some USD from your pocket, those have "inherent value" from a Congolese person's perspective, in that they are fungible with goods on the international market and don't remove value from someone else's currency.
Anyone with actual Economics theory know if my intuition here is correct or what model describes it?
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#26 For one, you could simply hand the pile of cash out to the first person who comes by your window.
Or you might hand small amounts of cash to a bunch of different people.
Both of these seem like nice things to do. But then you wonder: what if the cash in your living room is counterfeit? More to the point — does it even matter?
Wherever the money came from, if you dump it through the window, you'll be helping a few people, but at the same time causing inflation that will hurt everyone else.
The key issue with this entire blog post is that it ignores the distribution of wealth within the hypothetical Congolese market. What if one person in the marketplace has 99% of the money, and everybody else has the rest evenly divided between them. Then under some moral/ethical frameworks it might be beneficial to distribute the money evenly to the rest of the population at the cost of inflating away some of the single rich person's wealth.What you do with the money affects the distribution of wealth & goods within the society. What is a good distribution? You need a moral/ethical framework to decide. I won't make an assumption on which one we go with, but lets say we go with one.
Not spending or donating the money is making the choice that the distribution of wealth as it currently exists is the most optimal. Is this just? Depends on your moral/ethical framework.
Saying that earning is good and spending is bad is overly simplistic. You need an objective function on the distribution of wealth. Earning money in a way that warps the distribution away from the ideal can then be considered bad (and thus should be 'corrected' via taxation and other methods) and spending money in a way that warps the distribution toward the ideal can be considered good and should be rewarded (via tax credits etcetera).
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#27This went off the rails for me at the end. If earning money is good for other, but spending money is bad, then the "best" thing I could do would be to earn money and hoard it under my mattress. However, that would be the worst thing I could do for society, because I would be removing that resource (whether it has intrinsic value or not, it is still a resource) from society. In order for me to earn money, someone else…
I think the author would say that the pile of money under your mattress is not a resource, but rather just a pile of tokens that represent an ability to acquire resources in the future. If the author's view is correct then keeping it tucked away under your mattress has no net positive or negative effect: it just sits there. The exchanging of valuable resources that produced the tokens happened sometime in the past.
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#30This went off the rails for me at the end. If earning money is good for other, but spending money is bad, then the "best" thing I could do would be to earn money and hoard it under my mattress. However, that would be the worst thing I could do for society, because I would be removing that resource (whether it has intrinsic value or not, it is still a resource) from society. In order for me to earn money, someone else…
If you were actually hoarding in your mattress yes -- but most of us will never probably have enough money alone, or even as a group to horde under a mattress that the economy or society would actually notice. Now if you were hoarding the money by putting it in banks and various other investment vehicles -- then you are doing a great deal of good for society -- as the resource is not actually being removed. I hear th…