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Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by p_l »

ilaksh wrote: post #18

In San Diego the airport is right downtown. Many people are pretty much gauranteed to be dealing with airplane noise regardless of the routes taken to land. Of course La Jolla is probably the most expensive area in San Diego. Should we route the airplanes around them? Lol. I mean you can't move the airports and most people can't move their houses so it feels like this is mostly a structural issue. And to me more dire…

Sats have wild accuracy shifts and depend heavily on the plane being fully operational. Ultimately what you end up with sats anyway is list of waypoints, not anything dynamic, and it can be done with radar as well.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by ilaksh »

brankest wrote: post #15

It's a neat idea, but it's not clear from the article what these complaints accomplish. Are the airport administrators held accountable in any way? Are they required to respond to the complaints? Maintain a low threshold? It seems like this could just be a placebo button.

What are they supposed to do? They can't move the airport and if they change the routing then someone else will complain.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by cyberferret »

Just wondering if these devices are only issued to people who had houses in that area before the airport was built. IMO if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise.

Modern aviation is already far quieter, and there are plenty of regulations in place to minimise the noise footprint (e.g. modern fanjet engines are far quieter than the older turbojets, most airports have curfew hours to prevent late night/early morning noise, plus I know at our local airport, aircraft cannot use reverse thrust braking when landing in the early morning hours etc.).

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by eganist »

darkpuma wrote: post #7

> "Users sign up via the Airnoise website. With a free account, users can file up to 15 complaints a month; for $5 a month, they can file unlimited complaints." Commercialized NIMBY, that's damn clever.

It's a bit of a Kamikaze effort, really. Enough NIMBY automation and future complaints will be as effective as no complaints at all.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by sandworm101 »

A small part of my job (air force) is taking noise complaints. I find their rate has absolutely nothing to do with actual noise. It is all about time of day. A rainy tuesday afternoon: we can land on a roof without complaint from the owners. But on a sunny saturday evening, suddenly the same flight pattern we have flown for years without issue starts my phone ringing.

Standard, honest, responses:

1) Civilian air traffic control dictate our airport approach. If our helicopter was flying low it was probably because a 737 was on approach above it.

2) Helicopters have to land. They cannot hover down from 5000 feet directly onto the pad. They have to fly over someone's house somewhere to come home.

3) Sorry ma'am, but there was this boat on fire and a man was hurt. The strait line between the boat and hospital was directly over your house. Our bad. Ill ask the pilots to take the long way next time.

What AF personnel want to say:

4) Big helicopter? Did you see a big red star on the side of it? No? You're welcome. click

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by askvictor »

Where can hobbyists purchase hackable/programmable internet buttons such as this for a reasonable price? I've seen a few around the place but the costs are exorbitant for what they are, and hacking the Amazon buttons is too much effort (and they're hard to get outside the US)

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by jimnotgym »

In the UK Gatwick and Heathrow airports have been there for a generation. By this I mean that the vast majority of people moved to their noise-affected houses knowing the airport was there already.

Do these people deserve our sympathy? Initially i find it hard to be charitable towards them.

In my local town there is a pub that has been there for around 600 years. A particularly pushy person moved in next door, complained about the noise and successfully got the licensing people to add a condition that the beer garden must be closed after a certain time. Same question again, surely they knew what to expect when they moved in?

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by jimnotgym »

eganist wrote: post #24
darkpuma wrote: post #7

> "Users sign up via the Airnoise website. With a free account, users can file up to 15 complaints a month; for $5 a month, they can file unlimited complaints." Commercialized NIMBY, that's damn clever.

It's a bit of a Kamikaze effort, really. Enough NIMBY automation and future complaints will be as effective as no complaints at all.

Exactly, boiler plate duplicate spam complaints > boiler plate meaningless reply.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by runarberg »

ilaksh wrote: post #22
brankest wrote: post #15

It's a neat idea, but it's not clear from the article what these complaints accomplish. Are the airport administrators held accountable in any way? Are they required to respond to the complaints? Maintain a low threshold? It seems like this could just be a placebo button.

What are they supposed to do? They can't move the airport and if they change the routing then someone else will complain.

Sometimes you wonder if they could possible move the route a little to the side. I live on an island close to Seattle, and airplains flying from California will fly straight over the island, almost like it is on purpose. You wonder why they couldn't move the route a little to the west or a little to the east and fly over the sea instead.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA1041

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