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Using data to determine if Die Hard is a Christmas movie

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Re: Using data to determine if Die Hard is a Christmas movie

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This is only an argument because of different ways of defining what a "Christmas movie" is, which aren't mutually exclusive: a) Whether the movie is unambiguously set during Christmas, and if so whether that's clearly an artistic choice, or as much of a coincidence as a movie that has nothing to do with the weather being set in the summer or winter. b) Whether the movie is aimed at the "Christmas movie market". I.e.…

Also C: Its a christmas movie if we all decide it is. If it becomes one more of the christmas-centric traditions, then it becomes a christmas movie.

Exactly. As the author noted, "Jingle Bells" was originally a Thanksgiving song before popular culture started associating it with Christmas.

If "Die Hard" becomes a Christmas movie over time, it's a thing that happens. People are messy. Societies of people, exponentially so.

Re: Using data to determine if Die Hard is a Christmas movie

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A Christmas Story is the tradition in this household.

And in millions of other American households.

In just a few hours, TNT will begin its annual "24 Hours of A Christmas Story" marathon.

In 2013, each airing had between three and five million viewers: http://www.achristmasstoryhouse.com/a-christmas-story-movie-...

Re: Using data to determine if Die Hard is a Christmas movie

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It's definitely also a meme, whatever else it is. As an American, I haven't heard much about this debate before this holiday season. Definitely enjoying it, though.

Die Hard being regarded as a Christmas movie has been growing in popularity in the culture for many years now. I did however first hear about it being discussed in a TV show, although I can't remember which. The article also touches on another meme that has been growing for the past few years, Thanksgiving and its lack of associated songs. I remember first noticing that due to Bob's Burgers mentioning it constantly i…

Was the show Brooklyn 99?

Re: Using data to determine if Die Hard is a Christmas movie

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My initial sense is it's not a Christmas movie because the typical example of such is a movie that has something like "the joy of Christmas" as its core message or theme. But I'm hardly the most buff of film buffs, so I wonder: are the any movies with something of a negative message, or just any counterexample that is clearly a Christmas movie that doesn't meet this criteria of "joy" etc.?

Re: Using data to determine if Die Hard is a Christmas movie

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This is only an argument because of different ways of defining what a "Christmas movie" is, which aren't mutually exclusive: a) Whether the movie is unambiguously set during Christmas, and if so whether that's clearly an artistic choice, or as much of a coincidence as a movie that has nothing to do with the weather being set in the summer or winter. b) Whether the movie is aimed at the "Christmas movie market". I.e.…

Also C: Its a christmas movie if we all decide it is. If it becomes one more of the christmas-centric traditions, then it becomes a christmas movie.

Great Escape is a Christmas movie to me, it was always on around Christmas or new year as a kid.

Re: Using data to determine if Die Hard is a Christmas movie

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My initial sense is it's not a Christmas movie because the typical example of such is a movie that has something like "the joy of Christmas" as its core message or theme. But I'm hardly the most buff of film buffs, so I wonder: are the any movies with something of a negative message, or just any counterexample that is clearly a Christmas movie that doesn't meet this criteria of "joy" etc.?

Die Hard?

Re: Using data to determine if Die Hard is a Christmas movie

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Seriously, does anyone actually think Die Hard _isn't_ a christmas movie?

I had this very argument two weeks ago at a party and I was in the "it's not a Christmas movie" corner. After reading the (beautifully researched) article, I have now changed my mind. I now think it's a Christmas movie -- mostly because the writers intended for it to be one :D

Was it an office Christmas party you were at?

Was it attacked by terrorist/bank robbers?

Re: Using data to determine if Die Hard is a Christmas movie

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My initial sense is it's not a Christmas movie because the typical example of such is a movie that has something like "the joy of Christmas" as its core message or theme. But I'm hardly the most buff of film buffs, so I wonder: are the any movies with something of a negative message, or just any counterexample that is clearly a Christmas movie that doesn't meet this criteria of "joy" etc.?

"Bad Santa" is absolutely, unironically, my favorite Christmas movie of all time. And while Billy Bob Thorton's character does have a measure of redemption at the end, it overall is a dark comedy that is clearly the opposite of what you describe.

Re: Using data to determine if Die Hard is a Christmas movie

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Seriously, does anyone actually think Die Hard _isn't_ a christmas movie?

The author lost me when he said that “Last Action Hero” is not a great movie, so I wouldn’t take anything he writes about movies as serious. John McTiernan is a genius.

I feel like you had to be 8-10 years old when it was released for the necessary imprinting to happen.
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