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Re: 42 feet per gallon

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So, 12,8m/3,78541178l or EU standard combined: 29573,53l/100km? I wish at least sciency articles used SI.

The numbers you just put above mean nothing to me. Feet per Gallon is something humans can visualize. I'm sure I'll get downmodded to hell for expressing this opinion here, but I really do prefer imperial measurements.

Where by "humans" I assume you mean "Americans"? I've lived in three countries, none of which use gallons, and only one of which used miles...

Re: 42 feet per gallon

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So, 12,8m/3,78541178l or EU standard combined: 29573,53l/100km? I wish at least sciency articles used SI.

The numbers you just put above mean nothing to me. Feet per Gallon is something humans can visualize. I'm sure I'll get downmodded to hell for expressing this opinion here, but I really do prefer imperial measurements.

It would have been more meaningful if rue had normalized it to 3.38 m/l. Those are human visualizable units.

Re: 42 feet per gallon

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Seems to be about 3 miles from most of the launch pads to the VAB, so about 377 gallons for a one-way trip ( http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/nasafact/count3teaf.htm ) The crawler can travel about 1 MPH loaded; the tour guide at KSC (at least when I was there several years ago) made a big deal about the blazing 2 MPH it can do when unloaded. :)

The closest observation point is three miles from the launch pads, so yes, the VAB (Vehicle Assembly Building; it's insanely large) is probably around three miles as well. Why the three mile distance? Back during the Apollo program, engineers determined that if the Saturn V were to explode on the launch pad, the resulting fireball would be around four or file miles in diameter. I think it's a similar radius for the S…

So the fireball would still engulf the buildings? Doesn't that still seem too close?

Re: 42 feet per gallon

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It's only something you can visualise if you grew up with imperial units; "42 feet per gallon" is not inherently easier than "3.4 meters per liter", nor "125.7 gallons per mile" than "296 liters per km".

But all of those are far more accessible than 29573.53L/100km, which most people would just round up to "a hell of a lot". Using conventional units doesn't really help when the magnitude is so high.

It consumes about the same as 5500 mid-sized cars?

Re: 42 feet per gallon

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Because external combustion engines (boiler + turbine) are more efficient and cheaper to build at large scale

So why not use those in ships?

According to this marine engineering book ( http://books.google.com/books?id=PCSpWWuTgkkC&lpg=PA53&#... ) and this website ( http://library.fentu.ru/book/gumi/101/English/section_1_main... ) which seems based on the book, slow diesel engines are more efficient, but turbines are used in ships.

The steam turbine has until recently been the first choice for very large power main propulsion units. Its advantages of little or no vibration, low weight, minimum space requirements and low maintenance costs are considerable. In steam turbines high pressure steam is directed into a series of blades or vanes attached to a shaft, causing it to rotate. This rotary motion is transferred to the propeller shaft by gears. Steam is produced by boiling water in a boiler, which is fired by oil. Recent developments in steam turbines which have reduced fuel consumption and raised power output have made them more attractive as an alternative to diesel power in ships. They are 50 per cent lighter and on very large tankers some of the steam can be used to drive the large cargo oil pumps. Turbines are often used in container ships, which travel at high speeds.

Re: 42 feet per gallon

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The closest observation point is three miles from the launch pads, so yes, the VAB (Vehicle Assembly Building; it's insanely large) is probably around three miles as well. Why the three mile distance? Back during the Apollo program, engineers determined that if the Saturn V were to explode on the launch pad, the resulting fireball would be around four or file miles in diameter. I think it's a similar radius for the S…

So the fireball would still engulf the buildings? Doesn't that still seem too close?

3 miles away produces a 6-mile diameter safety zone.

Re: 42 feet per gallon

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The low speed (90 rpm) diesels in those ships are by far and away the most thermally efficient internal combustion engines on the planet. The biggest ones approach 50% efficient. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%A4rtsil%C3%A4-Sulzer_RTA96...

Why is that? Why don't they use these to generate electri ity?

The slow diesel engine can be connected directly to the propeller shaft, making it mechanically very efficient. I could be wrong, but I don't think a 90 RPM engine with extremely high torque would be appropriate for hooking directly to an alternator.

Re: 42 feet per gallon

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The closest observation point is three miles from the launch pads, so yes, the VAB (Vehicle Assembly Building; it's insanely large) is probably around three miles as well. Why the three mile distance? Back during the Apollo program, engineers determined that if the Saturn V were to explode on the launch pad, the resulting fireball would be around four or file miles in diameter. I think it's a similar radius for the S…

So the fireball would still engulf the buildings? Doesn't that still seem too close?

Diameter not radius.

So 4-5 miles diameter = 2-2.5 miles radius.

Re: 42 feet per gallon

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The numbers you just put above mean nothing to me. Feet per Gallon is something humans can visualize. I'm sure I'll get downmodded to hell for expressing this opinion here, but I really do prefer imperial measurements.

It's only something you can visualise if you grew up with imperial units; "42 feet per gallon" is not inherently easier than "3.4 meters per liter", nor "125.7 gallons per mile" than "296 liters per km".

The advantage to the metric system is the ease of converting between units. I can convert from metres per litre to litres per kilometre by dividing the former into 1000.

In this case 1000/3.4 = 294 (Approx)

Re: 42 feet per gallon

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Mike Rowe of Dirty Jobs got to drive the crawler in one episode. It was a cool episode. You appreciate just how big it is when you see him standing next to the treads.
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