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As the U.S. fantasizes, the rest of the world builds new transport system (2017)

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Re: As the U.S. fantasizes, the rest of the world builds new transport system (2017)

#21
post #5

High speed rail is a non-starter in the US, except for in certain regions. It's 2000 miles from Chicago to LA. Optimistically, if you had a train that averaged 200 miles an hour, it would still take 10 hours. That's just not competitive.

I'd take a 10 hour train trip from Chicago to LA in a heartbeat.

Security lines are shorter, and the beginning and end of a train trip both happen at a literal train station, so it's usually easier to get into and out of the city center.

Re: As the U.S. fantasizes, the rest of the world builds new transport system (2017)

#22
post #5

High speed rail is a non-starter in the US, except for in certain regions. It's 2000 miles from Chicago to LA. Optimistically, if you had a train that averaged 200 miles an hour, it would still take 10 hours. That's just not competitive.

100% spot on. Many don't realize just how large the us is. Going from SF to ATL is longer distance than Portugal to Belarus.

China is the same size as US. Somehow, they have HSR

Re: As the U.S. fantasizes, the rest of the world builds new transport system (2017)

#23
post #4

We have $2/gallon gas, from massive domestic production (and similar or lower prices for Jet-A). There are traffic congestion reasons for mass transit in cities, but we're pretty sorted for inter-city.

Traffic congestion is a pretty big issue for intercity too in some regions. Dallas-Houston is a mere 240 miles but often takes 5 hours to drive. Even in "light" traffic, 4 or so is common.

You can do a lot better than that with even decently upgraded "legacy" rail, never mind a Shinkansen/TGV type system. For example, London-Manchester is 210 miles, and trains take only 2 hours.

Re: As the U.S. fantasizes, the rest of the world builds new transport system (2017)

#24
post #4

We have $2/gallon gas, from massive domestic production (and similar or lower prices for Jet-A). There are traffic congestion reasons for mass transit in cities, but we're pretty sorted for inter-city.

Thanks to subsidized exploration, and a federal highway tax that is 30 years behind, and no accounting for negative externalities.

Re: As the U.S. fantasizes, the rest of the world builds new transport system (2017)

#25
post #4

We have $2/gallon gas, from massive domestic production (and similar or lower prices for Jet-A). There are traffic congestion reasons for mass transit in cities, but we're pretty sorted for inter-city.

What about climate change?

Plant a lot of trees using the rail money?

Re: As the U.S. fantasizes, the rest of the world builds new transport system (2017)

#26
post #5

High speed rail is a non-starter in the US, except for in certain regions. It's 2000 miles from Chicago to LA. Optimistically, if you had a train that averaged 200 miles an hour, it would still take 10 hours. That's just not competitive.

100% spot on. Many don't realize just how large the us is. Going from SF to ATL is longer distance than Portugal to Belarus.

Canadians do. I dont know how you get along so well given how crammed together you all are. Pretty much every state can be driven across in under a day.

Re: As the U.S. fantasizes, the rest of the world builds new transport system (2017)

#27
post #5

High speed rail is a non-starter in the US, except for in certain regions. It's 2000 miles from Chicago to LA. Optimistically, if you had a train that averaged 200 miles an hour, it would still take 10 hours. That's just not competitive.

Make it an overnight train with a real bed and the train sounds more appealing to me. Do a days work in Chicago, go to sleep, wake up, do a days work in LA.

Most people would rather take a 4.5hr flight

Re: As the U.S. fantasizes, the rest of the world builds new transport system (2017)

#28

Cue the zealots hailing second coming of the lord savior Musk who will cure all of the US from it's transportation problems by digging a dumbass service tunnel

Tunnels in cities and trains between cities are not at odds with each other. Let’s not be zealots about that. The tunnels seem fine to me within cities, but I am all for trains between cities.

As it happens, tunnels in cities are not some hitherto unheard of great invention. They form a fairly well known and efficient means of mass transportation systems across the world.

Re: As the U.S. fantasizes, the rest of the world builds new transport system (2017)

#29
post #4

We have $2/gallon gas, from massive domestic production (and similar or lower prices for Jet-A). There are traffic congestion reasons for mass transit in cities, but we're pretty sorted for inter-city.

If you have, have access to, are able, or want to drive a car, then at best it's reasonable option for places outside of denser areas, albeit far more expensive than the cost of gas. While cars are certainly good in some ways at getting people around to places that don't make sense to service with more significant options, they shouldn't be considered first when thinking about new development imo.

Re: As the U.S. fantasizes, the rest of the world builds new transport system (2017)

#30

Cue the zealots hailing second coming of the lord savior Musk who will cure all of the US from it's transportation problems by digging a dumbass service tunnel

Please don't post unsubstantive flamebait to HN.

This is at least as bad as what you're scorning.

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