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Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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I'd been really loving Brave and using it as my daily driver for a few months now, until that I noticed that little "Brave Ads" icon at the end of the address bar. That's when I realized their entire business model is just in the usurpation of existing Google ad revenue, dressed up with "privacy concerns" for the good PR. This sent me on a journey to find a really solid, free, Chromium based browser that is totally d…

Honest question. Why not Firefox? What are your concerns with it?

Firefox runs worse than chrome still, and it doesn't work well at all on my 2 core 2015 macbook pro. It works fine on my 6 core & 4 core machines although.

I would also like something like the easy user switching that chrome has, since once user would have one set of session tab logins (twitter, fb, google, etc), and another user would have another. firefox -no-remote isn't that smooth of an experience compared to chrome's user switcher.

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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People complain about paywalls, but this is literally the first Twitter link I've looked at in days and I get a rate limiting error. I don't mind paywalls, but wish micropayments we're easier. Whatever anti-user stuff Twitter has been up to (this isn't a new problem) is just atrocious.

That rate limit isn't about pay walls. It's just twitter's desire to force mobile users to use their app. Every single time a mobile user goes to a non-mobile Twitter url, they will hit that "error". Given that it's 100% reproducible, trivial to fix, and trivial to work around (hit reload. No wait needed), it's clear that they just don't want people to use their web browser on mobile devices.

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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Brendan Eich answers on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1076187316748615680 basically he plans to keep it working the way it works now, "opt out" and all - he's confident this is a completely legal way to work

> I realize some don’t like it, agree we should respect their wishes. But the ability to paypal or western union or otherwise send to people without their consent exists and is not illegal or unethical. Nominative fair use of public data also legal.

There's a huge difference between sending someone money without their prior permission and creating a system to solicit money to send to someone without their prior permission.

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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Honest question. Why not Firefox? What are your concerns with it?

I've tried over and over for decades to like Firefox, but I just don't. I can't say it's a rational decision entirely. But beyond that, I just think that Mozilla's motives can't really be trusted at face value with the amount of revenue they have these days, and their whole profile sync service. It just comes down to incentives, and any company which collects any kind of data has the incentive to profit at our expens…

Sorry if I misunderstood you, but you said you were using Brave. Perhaps you should review how you evaluate the products you use because your record isn't great.

If you were wrong about Brave, your concerns about Firefox and Mozilla could be wrong as well.

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've tried over and over for decades to like Firefox, but I just don't. I can't say it's a rational decision entirely. But beyond that, I just think that Mozilla's motives can't really be trusted at face value with the amount of revenue they have these days, and their whole profile sync service. It just comes down to incentives, and any company which collects any kind of data has the incentive to profit at our expens…

What about the profile sync service can't be trusted? It's end-to-end encrypted. Mozilla doesn't have the keys.

It's just an attack vector I wish didn't exist at all. There's also metadata. Sure Mozilla doesn't have your passwords, but they know who you have passwords with. That creeps me out.

There's nothing wrong with the all-purpose heavily featured approach of stuff like Chrome and Firefox, and I get that other people like Sync, I just really wish there was a totally stripped down basic internet browser I could trust.

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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Brendan Eich answers on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1076187316748615680 basically he plans to keep it working the way it works now, "opt out" and all - he's confident this is a completely legal way to work

I think this "growth hacking" will spectacularly backfire and destroy the company. It's 2018, this stuff doesn't fly anymore. And as the tweeter pointed out, it's breaks the GDPR in Europe. Disaster.

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

#28

People complain about paywalls, but this is literally the first Twitter link I've looked at in days and I get a rate limiting error. I don't mind paywalls, but wish micropayments we're easier. Whatever anti-user stuff Twitter has been up to (this isn't a new problem) is just atrocious.

That rate limit isn't about pay walls. It's just twitter's desire to force mobile users to use their app. Every single time a mobile user goes to a non-mobile Twitter url, they will hit that "error". Given that it's 100% reproducible, trivial to fix, and trivial to work around (hit reload. No wait needed), it's clear that they just don't want people to use their web browser on mobile devices.

They also remove it if you login on the mobile web page. So perhaps it's them just trying to get you be be identifiable.

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

#29

I'd been really loving Brave and using it as my daily driver for a few months now, until that I noticed that little "Brave Ads" icon at the end of the address bar. That's when I realized their entire business model is just in the usurpation of existing Google ad revenue, dressed up with "privacy concerns" for the good PR. This sent me on a journey to find a really solid, free, Chromium based browser that is totally d…

What about plain Chromium?
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