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John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Post by m0zg »

dboreham wrote: post #19
m0zg wrote: post #16

It's just unbelievable to me that the company sitting on a quarter trillion dollars is unwilling to spend a small fraction of that hoard to hire the best of the best in order to fix the very thing that will kill their cash cow in the next 5 years. I'm on iOS myself (and have been faithful since the first iPhone), but $30 Google Home puck feels like it's from the future. Understands me perfectly, comes up with decent…

Um...you know JG was formerly at Google doing all that magic you love and is now at Apple, right?

JG was _managing people_ doing the magic. There's a difference. By himself, he can't really do much. He's not even a ML/DL guy per se.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Post by e1ven »

m0zg wrote: post #16

It's just unbelievable to me that the company sitting on a quarter trillion dollars is unwilling to spend a small fraction of that hoard to hire the best of the best in order to fix the very thing that will kill their cash cow in the next 5 years. I'm on iOS myself (and have been faithful since the first iPhone), but $30 Google Home puck feels like it's from the future. Understands me perfectly, comes up with decent…

They can't just throw more random people at the problem - Adding too many developers can slow projects down and make them less likely to work. (9 women can't make a baby in a month, and all that..)

The guy this post is about just came from Google, where he lead on the stuff you're praising. He can push these efforts in the right direction, and help make other strategic hires..

Isn't this exactly what you want?

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Post by dwighttk »

m0zg wrote: post #16

It's just unbelievable to me that the company sitting on a quarter trillion dollars is unwilling to spend a small fraction of that hoard to hire the best of the best in order to fix the very thing that will kill their cash cow in the next 5 years. I'm on iOS myself (and have been faithful since the first iPhone), but $30 Google Home puck feels like it's from the future. Understands me perfectly, comes up with decent…

Who is this best of the best that they didn't hire?

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Post by geofft »

m0zg wrote: post #21
dboreham wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um...you know JG was formerly at Google doing all that magic you love and is now at Apple, right?

JG was _managing people_ doing the magic. There's a difference. By himself, he can't really do much. He's not even a ML/DL guy per se.

Magic is about management. The most talented ICs can't do much unless management supports them in it. (And I say this as an IC.)

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Post by djtriptych »

m0zg wrote: post #21
dboreham wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um...you know JG was formerly at Google doing all that magic you love and is now at Apple, right?

JG was _managing people_ doing the magic. There's a difference. By himself, he can't really do much. He's not even a ML/DL guy per se.

what is it you think executives do?

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Post by danso »

m0zg wrote: post #21
dboreham wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um...you know JG was formerly at Google doing all that magic you love and is now at Apple, right?

JG was _managing people_ doing the magic. There's a difference. By himself, he can't really do much. He's not even a ML/DL guy per se.

If there’s one company that’s proved how successful non-technical leaders can be, it would seemingly be Apple.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Post by m0zg »

dwighttk wrote: post #23
m0zg wrote: post #16

It's just unbelievable to me that the company sitting on a quarter trillion dollars is unwilling to spend a small fraction of that hoard to hire the best of the best in order to fix the very thing that will kill their cash cow in the next 5 years. I'm on iOS myself (and have been faithful since the first iPhone), but $30 Google Home puck feels like it's from the future. Understands me perfectly, comes up with decent…

Who is this best of the best that they didn't hire?

Everyone who cares even a little about their academic career. Apple doesn't really let you publish. Even pop-sci articles they do publish on their website don't have any names. I know no sane researcher who would agree to end their academic participation so abruptly, particularly in order to work for an organization widely perceived as a perennial laggard.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Post by m0zg »

geofft wrote: post #24
m0zg wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

JG was _managing people_ doing the magic. There's a difference. By himself, he can't really do much. He's not even a ML/DL guy per se.

Magic is about management. The most talented ICs can't do much unless management supports them in it. (And I say this as an IC.)

Not in research.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Post by starshadowx2 »

e1ven wrote: post #22
m0zg wrote: post #16

It's just unbelievable to me that the company sitting on a quarter trillion dollars is unwilling to spend a small fraction of that hoard to hire the best of the best in order to fix the very thing that will kill their cash cow in the next 5 years. I'm on iOS myself (and have been faithful since the first iPhone), but $30 Google Home puck feels like it's from the future. Understands me perfectly, comes up with decent…

They can't just throw more random people at the problem - Adding too many developers can slow projects down and make them less likely to work. (9 women can't make a baby in a month, and all that..) The guy this post is about just came from Google, where he lead on the stuff you're praising. He can push these efforts in the right direction, and help make other strategic hires.. Isn't this exactly what you want?

9 women can't make a baby in a month but 9 women can make 9 babies in 9 months instead of 1 woman making 1 in 9 months.

More people can work on more/different things in the same period of time, thereby increasing total work done. (Parallel vs sequential and all that..)

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Post by Despegar »

m0zg wrote: post #16

It's just unbelievable to me that the company sitting on a quarter trillion dollars is unwilling to spend a small fraction of that hoard to hire the best of the best in order to fix the very thing that will kill their cash cow in the next 5 years. I'm on iOS myself (and have been faithful since the first iPhone), but $30 Google Home puck feels like it's from the future. Understands me perfectly, comes up with decent…

I'll take that bet. The iPhone is going to keep printing money for the next 15-20 years at least.

Apple is a 40 year old company, and they're still raking in the dough from their original product category.

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