The performance on Safari is abysmal too.
Did Google Cripple Edge’s YouTube Performance?
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Re: Did Google Cripple Edge’s YouTube Performance?
#22Wow, that's a rude standpoint to take. Of course a monopoly can implement technically better solutions more quickly but the author is completely disregarding the benefits of distributed power: That you as a consumer can decide what you need and what you will use and that you're not a big company's slave. Ignoring this is just short-sighted and an asshole move towards others, IMO. Oh and also, EdgeHTML might not have…
Author here. Diplomacy isn't my strong suit, and I don't care if you think me rude. I'm not saying consumers shouldn't have choice. That isn't at all what I'm saying. What I am saying is: Chrome didn't arrive at its market share by some corporate scheme to enforce usage by vertical tying. Chrome arrived at that market share by making a great piece of software that most consumers like and are happy with. And I take pa…
No technical reason to use Edge over Chrome? Are being purposely ignorant? Edge has good pdf editing abilities - at least in the Surface line. When google can stop eating your ram and battery I'll consider it over Edge. Unfortunately MS is throwing in the towel.
Safari is also a good browser. I don't need justifications here.
Re: Did Google Cripple Edge’s YouTube Performance?
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Author here. Diplomacy isn't my strong suit, and I don't care if you think me rude. I'm not saying consumers shouldn't have choice. That isn't at all what I'm saying. What I am saying is: Chrome didn't arrive at its market share by some corporate scheme to enforce usage by vertical tying. Chrome arrived at that market share by making a great piece of software that most consumers like and are happy with. And I take pa…
> I don’t care if you think me rude You should care. Part of the implicit criticism in the original post by the intern is that Google is so arrogant in its browser’s dominance that it breaks the web and doesn’t give a shit if anyone complains about it. The tone of your article is certainly doing nothing to help that impression.
> Part of the implicit criticism in the original post by the intern is that Google is so arrogant in its browser’s dominance that it breaks the web and doesn’t give a shit if anyone complains about it. The tone of your article is certainly doing nothing to help that impression.
Is there anything that a person who doesn't work at Google (like the author) can do to help that impression? Is there any reason why anybody who doesn't work at Google should even worry about helping that impression?
Re: Did Google Cripple Edge’s YouTube Performance?
#24Disappointed with people talking about the tone and not the content of the blogpost. Didnt realize it was an intern (who probably lacks experience with the code) who made the false accusation in the first place. Even if that werent true, making baseless arguments do not sound like the new MSFT that HN tries to project.
The tone of the article and the posts in this thread are literally the most important piece of content. This is the person who was directly called out for a specific action which broke one element of Edge functionality. His commits and comments have a very strong "well, fuck them" vibe to them. I read the initial post that led to this blog reply. It accused google of not playing well with others. The engineer in ques…
> This is the person who was directly called out for a specific action which broke one element of Edge functionality.
No, the intern called out Google, not this guy.
Re: Did Google Cripple Edge’s YouTube Performance?
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Author here. Diplomacy isn't my strong suit, and I don't care if you think me rude. I'm not saying consumers shouldn't have choice. That isn't at all what I'm saying. What I am saying is: Chrome didn't arrive at its market share by some corporate scheme to enforce usage by vertical tying. Chrome arrived at that market share by making a great piece of software that most consumers like and are happy with. And I take pa…
IMHO, Chrome arrived at such a market share mostly through (i) ubiquitously ad campaigns (subways, buses, on the web, ...); (ii) an strong push towards the users (it's quite easy when your editor is in charge of what is basically the homepage of the internet for most people); (iii) an aggressive bundling strategy with dozens of other programs (JVM, freewares, ...).
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Re: Did Google Cripple Edge’s YouTube Performance?
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While I share your disgust for IE and its successor Edge, you are incorrect about one thing. The Chrome install base on Windows is not entirely due to user choice. Chrome is/was bundled and selected for installation by default with many other software products, including Adobe Reader, CCleaner, and Avast antivirus.
My dads Dell came with Edge, Firefox and Chrome installed. I wonder how many other vendors are including multiple browsers? Surely if you purchase Win10 on its own you only get Edge, but I don't think most people are buying Win10 on its own compared to purchasing a PC that has it installed already.
all computers should do that.
and then have an icon called internet which spawns randomly either of the three (session based)
also you need a standard to share favicons.
Re: Did Google Cripple Edge’s YouTube Performance?
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
The tone of the article and the posts in this thread are literally the most important piece of content. This is the person who was directly called out for a specific action which broke one element of Edge functionality. His commits and comments have a very strong "well, fuck them" vibe to them. I read the initial post that led to this blog reply. It accused google of not playing well with others. The engineer in ques…
> This is the person who was directly called out for a specific action which broke one element of Edge functionality. No, the intern called out Google, not this guy.
If my organization is called out, and the citation given is my specific work, I would consider that someone called me on my work, even if they hadn't named me.
Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Re: Did Google Cripple Edge’s YouTube Performance?
#28Wow, that's a rude standpoint to take. Of course a monopoly can implement technically better solutions more quickly but the author is completely disregarding the benefits of distributed power: That you as a consumer can decide what you need and what you will use and that you're not a big company's slave. Ignoring this is just short-sighted and an asshole move towards others, IMO. Oh and also, EdgeHTML might not have…
Sorry, I don't really get what's wrong with using Chromium in Edge. It is open source. Everybody can contribute or even fork the code (Blink/WebKit). And I think Microsoft did a genius move because Edge can be now the cool browser that rocks like Chrome but without the privacy issues it offers. This is also the problem Mozilla confronts. Year after year they urged for open source and an open web and now that Microsof…
Undoubtedly, Google controls what happens in the Chromium stack (Blink/V8). I gotta admit that I don't know if MSFT's actually using Blink or just WebKit, so idk how much power Google effectively has over that.
But either way, the platform is not really controlled by the community. Sure you can file issues and pull requests or even fork Chromium but ultimately, Google still controls what's merged into the global Chromium master, so it's not really decentralized power.
Also, you've missed the main point. The problem here isn't that we don't have enough free/open source browser engines, the problem is that we don't have enough _different_ browser engines. If there's only one dominant browser engine, then whoever maintains that engine can decide how the web works. And that's kinda scary.
Re: Did Google Cripple Edge’s YouTube Performance?
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is the person who was directly called out for a specific action which broke one element of Edge functionality. No, the intern called out Google, not this guy.
If my organization is called out, and the citation given is my specific work, I would consider that someone called me on my work, even if they hadn't named me. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
He doesn't work for Google, nor did he implement the YouTube feature the intern called out. He implemented something similar in his own project. This was clear in the article.
Re: Did Google Cripple Edge’s YouTube Performance?
#30Wow, that's a rude standpoint to take. Of course a monopoly can implement technically better solutions more quickly but the author is completely disregarding the benefits of distributed power: That you as a consumer can decide what you need and what you will use and that you're not a big company's slave. Ignoring this is just short-sighted and an asshole move towards others, IMO. Oh and also, EdgeHTML might not have…
Author here. Diplomacy isn't my strong suit, and I don't care if you think me rude. I'm not saying consumers shouldn't have choice. That isn't at all what I'm saying. What I am saying is: Chrome didn't arrive at its market share by some corporate scheme to enforce usage by vertical tying. Chrome arrived at that market share by making a great piece of software that most consumers like and are happy with. And I take pa…
I get what you're saying and I agree. If consumers want Chrome, they should be free to use it and what MSFT is doing with its pre-configured browser/search engine settings is approaching anti-competitive behaviour.
However, if everyone adapts a single solution (WebKit/V8) then the web will just gravitate towards that and neglect standards and other engines, making it harder for consumers to use those.
The quintessence here is: People shouldn't just look at the raw performace (or quality or whatever) of a product, they should also consider the implications of using it. If almost everyone's using one particular implementation of a standard, then the other implementations will be extinct and users of those other implementations will be forced to use that most prominent one, eliminating their choice.
I'd recommend you read up on "Windows Refund Day". It kinda fits here. Here's a good video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j9j-Ywjmbk