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Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by kbenson »

czbond wrote: post #16

I'm in love with the mission - but don't want to really have to switch ecosystems again (from Linux --> Apple --> PureOS). I love OSX - could I not do the same with OSX by tightening it down?

> I'm in love with the mission - but don't want to really have to switch ecosystems again (from Linux --> Apple --> PureOS).

PureOS is Debian based linux operating system.[1]

> I love OSX - could I not do the same with OSX by tightening it down?

It depends entirely on how and who you trust. If you implicitly trust Apple and that their goal now (and in the future!) and that their team can vet all the code going in to the degree that no single or small group of developers there working in tandem could get a backdoor in place in either software or hardware, then I doubt there's a better choice given Apple's ability to design their own hardware and their complete control of the software stack.

If you would rather trust in a large distributed group of people having public access to view and vet the source which is public and believe their vested interest in keeping the system is the better choice for continues security, choose an open source system wide wide use.

1: https://puri.sm/posts/what-is-pureos-and-how-is-it-built/

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by kbenson »

stamps wrote: post #19
czbond wrote: post #16

I'm in love with the mission - but don't want to really have to switch ecosystems again (from Linux --> Apple --> PureOS). I love OSX - could I not do the same with OSX by tightening it down?

OSX on a phone?

There are librem laptops shown on the site.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by ajdhsjakafjt »

nonbel wrote: post #15
123919239 wrote: post #5

Is there any document where they describe how their focus on security shapes pureOS? I'm seeing stuff like bundling some add-ons for the browser, and kernel patches. In my mind, securing users in 2018 means to have a decent password manager with an up-to-date browser, make sure that apps are sandboxed and prohibit the browser from accessing all my user's files. Do they tackle this?

Edit: Sorry, I realized you were only asking about the OS after making this post. Feel free to ignore. I think it looks like an interesting project and will buy one. I especially like the hardware kill switches. > Here are some benefits and key differentiators of the Librem 5, the world’s first ever IP-native mobile handset and the only user-respecting mobile phone product offering on the market: - Privacy protection…

No worries, it's part of the whole story. I don't particularly see the point of kill switches when you trust the software.

I acknowledge the efforts in hardware integration they do. I'd love to see the Linux desktop being upgraded to Android's standards.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by letstrynvm »

I have one of these on the way.

The main surprise for me is they're shipping it without the lcd panel working.

They can control the backlight. But no video.

Now I'm participating in the gamble that can be made to function without rework, I'd at least like complete details, not "we are talking to the panel vendor".

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by azdle »

ajdhsjakafjt wrote: post #23
nonbel wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: Sorry, I realized you were only asking about the OS after making this post. Feel free to ignore. I think it looks like an interesting project and will buy one. I especially like the hardware kill switches. > Here are some benefits and key differentiators of the Librem 5, the world’s first ever IP-native mobile handset and the only user-respecting mobile phone product offering on the market: - Privacy protection…

No worries, it's part of the whole story. I don't particularly see the point of kill switches when you trust the software. I acknowledge the efforts in hardware integration they do. I'd love to see the Linux desktop being upgraded to Android's standards.

> I don't particularly see the point of kill switches when you trust the software.

In my view it's two things: 1. It's defense in depth. No one person will ever be able to review every single line of code running their device, but anyone can crack open the case (and/or check the open schematics) and verify that flicking the switch kills the microphone. And 2. The baseband still has proprietary code running it that you can't verify so the only reasonable thing you can do to it is power it down.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by letstrynvm »

alexkavon wrote: post #18
freedomben wrote: post #4

Would be interested in some links to SDKs and/or style guides. As a developer, how do I get started writing my app to target the Librem 5? Went through the website and many forums but haven't found any definitive.

Here is a resource directly from them: https://developer.puri.sm/Librem5/

Maybe I missed it, but it doesn't seem to cover setting up a cross toolchain and rebuild everything from source.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by dustfinger »

subsubsub wrote: post #7

Every time Purism is mentioned on HN there are always people chiming in with negativity around how it's not open or secure or free enough, based on some unachievable metric of those things and with an side dose of utopian fantasizing. Buy one of these phones because you - Want a 'free' phone to exist in the future - Want an open source phone to exist in the future - Want a secure phone to exist in the future It may n…

Agreed! As soon as I can afford one, I am buying two :-P. I sure wish that I new about the dev kit when it was still available to order :-(

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by alexeldeib »

dannyw wrote: post #12

Has anyone who pre-ordered the cancelled Librem 11 from Purism got their refund? I put money down more than a year ago. They didn't meet their MoQ, and so offered refunds or applying it to another product. I chose a refund almost two months ago, and I still have not received it despite many follow ups and shifting deadlines. I'm concerned that Purism may be having cash flow issues?

FWIW I cancelled a preorder (not the 11, the 15) and I got a full refund very quickly.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by fosco »

kbenson wrote: post #21
czbond wrote: post #16

I'm in love with the mission - but don't want to really have to switch ecosystems again (from Linux --> Apple --> PureOS). I love OSX - could I not do the same with OSX by tightening it down?

> I'm in love with the mission - but don't want to really have to switch ecosystems again (from Linux --> Apple --> PureOS). PureOS is Debian based linux operating system.[1] > I love OSX - could I not do the same with OSX by tightening it down? It depends entirely on how and who you trust. If you implicitly trust Apple and that their goal now (and in the future!) and that their team can vet all the code going in to…

Does that mean its running systemd? I thought that was generally frowned upon. I don't know enough to have end opinion myself but it seems like systemd was questionable especially for this type of endeavor.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Post by TACIXAT »

ajdhsjakafjt wrote: post #23
nonbel wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: Sorry, I realized you were only asking about the OS after making this post. Feel free to ignore. I think it looks like an interesting project and will buy one. I especially like the hardware kill switches. > Here are some benefits and key differentiators of the Librem 5, the world’s first ever IP-native mobile handset and the only user-respecting mobile phone product offering on the market: - Privacy protection…

No worries, it's part of the whole story. I don't particularly see the point of kill switches when you trust the software. I acknowledge the efforts in hardware integration they do. I'd love to see the Linux desktop being upgraded to Android's standards.

I'm excited for kill switches, mostly the baseband one. Cell providers sell real time location data. I will be happy knowing that my phone is doing no communication when I want it to.
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