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Post by HillaryBriss »

pytyper2 wrote: post #8

Because they are likely working for institutions that are committing IP theft, in this case it's better to keep them honest, they don't have a culture that respects the rules and customs of other cultures (common law, contract law).

in the distant past, China's silk industry tried to prevent the knowledge of silk making from spreading outside of China. and China's tea growers tried to prevent the exportation of Chinese tea plants.

ultimately, neither of these efforts succeeded.

but it is evidence that people and industries in China truly do understand the notion of protecting trade secrets, IP, etc.

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Post by yorwba »

polartx wrote: post #12
DennisP wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is also what the U.S. did for its first century or so. A lot of us think U.S. IP law has seriously overextended itself these days. I'm not sure I entirely blame China for not going along with it.

Ah yes, because Samuel Slater smuggled cotton spinner trade secrets out of England in 1789, China is justified committing IP theft today. Sound logic

No, Samuel Slater smuggling trade secrets was a consequence, not a reason, of the same sound logic that also makes China ignore the IP laws of other countries: if there's a group of other people with a mutually beneficial agreement, who expect you to play by their rules without getting any of the benefits, then fuck 'em.

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Post by keldaris »

HillaryBriss wrote: post #21
pytyper2 wrote: post #8

Because they are likely working for institutions that are committing IP theft, in this case it's better to keep them honest, they don't have a culture that respects the rules and customs of other cultures (common law, contract law).

in the distant past, China's silk industry tried to prevent the knowledge of silk making from spreading outside of China. and China's tea growers tried to prevent the exportation of Chinese tea plants. ultimately, neither of these efforts succeeded. but it is evidence that people and industries in China truly do understand the notion of protecting trade secrets, IP, etc.

Everyone understands those notions when they benefit them and everyone is quick to discard or gloss over them when they don't. It's a simple economic calculation, China just happens to be on the other end of it compared to the rest of the world - namely, the benefits of ignoring these notions outweighs the risks of antagonizing the U.S.

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Post by matz1 »

pytyper2 wrote: post #8

Because they are likely working for institutions that are committing IP theft, in this case it's better to keep them honest, they don't have a culture that respects the rules and customs of other cultures (common law, contract law).

Its a faster and effective way to catch up, it would be stupid for them not to do it.

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Post by devoply »

chmod775 wrote: post #19
polartx wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, because Samuel Slater smuggled cotton spinner trade secrets out of England in 1789, China is justified committing IP theft today. Sound logic

No need to go that far back. Try 2013. And unless anything changed since the Snowden revelations, the US is still conducting (or attempting to conduct) industrial espionage to this day. In some cases they were in direct violation of agreements they had with other countries concerning such espionage[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#Germany

If Snowden revealed anything it's that there is lots of hypocrisy involved and for the most part American citizens are in line with that hypocrisy as long as it does not effect them personally. And if we see China's behavior it's in line with accounting for this hypocrisy. Sure the US calls them out on it all the time, and they can't respond to the allegations... But similarly their citizens are on board with their hypocrisy. It's a world full of liars looking to exploit however they can so they can get to the top and remain there. It's all propped up on a commonly accepted fiction, if you did a bit deeper you see all the fictions are there to support various power structures and keep them functioning.

So can you blame China or the US... Not really everyone is playing the hand they were dealt the best way they know how.

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Post by stevenjohns »

I've taken similar advice from HN -- not to travel to the US unless it's essential -- and I've heeded that quite closely. It's unsurprising that people significantly more important than me are being advised the same in more formal situations.

Re: Chinese hi-tech researchers ‘told not to travel to US unless it’s essential’

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Post by [deleted] »

polartx wrote: post #12
DennisP wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is also what the U.S. did for its first century or so. A lot of us think U.S. IP law has seriously overextended itself these days. I'm not sure I entirely blame China for not going along with it.

Ah yes, because Samuel Slater smuggled cotton spinner trade secrets out of England in 1789, China is justified committing IP theft today. Sound logic

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Re: Chinese hi-tech researchers ‘told not to travel to US unless it’s essential’

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Post by coughupalung »

matz1 wrote: post #25
pytyper2 wrote: post #8

Because they are likely working for institutions that are committing IP theft, in this case it's better to keep them honest, they don't have a culture that respects the rules and customs of other cultures (common law, contract law).

Its a faster and effective way to catch up, it would be stupid for them not to do it.

As long as they can continue to get away with it, sure. Let's see if their greedy algorithm continues to work.

Re: Chinese hi-tech researchers ‘told not to travel to US unless it’s essential’

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Post by coldtea »

polartx wrote: post #12
DennisP wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is also what the U.S. did for its first century or so. A lot of us think U.S. IP law has seriously overextended itself these days. I'm not sure I entirely blame China for not going along with it.

Ah yes, because Samuel Slater smuggled cotton spinner trade secrets out of England in 1789, China is justified committing IP theft today. Sound logic

The logic is "if you've used it to become the richest nation on earth don't knock out others using it to become rich".

And those that still benefit from the heads-tart due to their country/ancestors having done so, shouldn't play it holier than thou either.

Not to mention the whole hypocrisy, since the US has used corporate espionage and actual spying on supposed "allies" corporations since forever and still does, plus using their military and diplomatic might to ensure cheap resources, control of trade routes, use of its currently, and bending "banana republics" to its will and installing friendly lackeys to the detriment of their peoples. Case in point, this vintage gem posted today:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18683073

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