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“Silent Night” turns 200

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Re: “Silent Night” turns 200

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I am not a Christian, never was, but I can't listen to Silent Night without tears coming to my eyes. May there be peace on earth for all beings.

Have you ever watched the film Joyeux Noel?

No I haven't. Seems apropos. For some strange reason, the description reminds of of Erich Maria Remarque's "All Quiet on the Western Front," which doesn't have much joy in it.

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There's a fun movie from the 80's that I remember enjoying as a kid called Silent Mouse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Mouse

That wasn’t the 80s Silent Night movie I had in mind

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Night,_Deadly_Night_P...

It expertly straddles the line between “so bad it’s good” and “so bad it’s bad”

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As just one more point of reference for this song's cultural power: whereas the greatest movie about boxing, Raging Bull, made such wonderful use of highbrow music like the Intermezzo from Cavalleria, the greatest boxing movie, the first Rocky movie, in its own way, makes wonderful use of more familiar touchstones. In particular, an instrumental "Silent Night" plays jarringly in the background of the dramatic climax scene, where Adrian stands up to her brother. Masterful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxriLTLhyyY

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> Is it the greatest Christmas song ever? I’m a church organist inter alia and I doubt any of my fellows would say it was. O Come All Ye Faithful? Certainly. Hark the Herald? Could be. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen with that spine-tingling David Willcocks last verse? Perhaps. But sweet, saccharine Silent Night? It wouldn’t be on the list.

This is funny for me. I'm a singer and organist who has spent my life in churches and I am notorious among all my friends and family for loathing Silent Night (in good fun). It is slow, harmonically uninteresting, but worst of all it is always sung unaccompanied on Christmas Eve, in which time it get slower and flatter until it is at risk of coming to a complete stop.

Give me O Come All Ye Faithful or One in Royal David's City from Carols for Choirs. Or O Come, O Come Emmanuel.

Re: “Silent Night” turns 200

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> Is it the greatest Christmas song ever? I’m a church organist inter alia and I doubt any of my fellows would say it was. O Come All Ye Faithful? Certainly. Hark the Herald? Could be. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen with that spine-tingling David Willcocks last verse? Perhaps. But sweet, saccharine Silent Night? It wouldn’t be on the list.

Oh Holy Night, when done very well. But it suffers more than most when the performance is just mediocre.

But it suffers more than most when the performance is just mediocre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiTX_jfUI5Y

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God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, and Carol of the Bells are my favorites.

Nice choices! IMO the best Christmas songs have a mix of joy and something.. else. Something a little eerie. Not quite foreboding , exactly, but definitely a bit tense. From a certain perspective, maybe this is theologically correct to have a mix of "Yay Jesus is coming!" and also at the same time "Oh shit, he's coming here?!? " For those from other faith traditions, imagine you hear that your CEO is finally going to…

Agreed! My favorite Christmas carols are the ones that aren't just marking a jolly merry festival, but have that "foreboding" melancholy potency you describe. I think G. K. Chesteron did a good job of capturing the sense of it, in his "The Everlasting Man" [0]:

>Christmas for us in Christendom has become one thing, and in one sense even a simple thing. But like all the truths of that tradition, it is in another sense a very complex thing. Its unique note is the simultaneous striking of many notes; of humility, of gaiety, of gratitude, of mystical fear, but also of vigilance and of drama. [...] There is something defiant in it also; something that makes the abrupt bells at midnight sound like the great guns of a battle that has just been won. All this indescribable thing that we call the Christmas atmosphere only bangs in the air as something like a lingering fragrance or fading vapor from the exultant, explosion of that one hour in the Judean hills nearly two thousand years ago. But the savor is still unmistakable, and it is something too subtle or too solitary to be covered by our use of the word peace. By the very nature of the story the rejoicings in the cavern were rejoicings in a fortress or an outlaws den; properly understood it is not unduly flippant to say they were rejoicing in a dug-out. It is not only true that such a subterranean chamber was a hiding-place from enemies; and that the enemies were already scouring the stony plain that lay above it like a sky. It is not only that the very horse-hoofs of Herod might in that sense have passed like thunder over the sunken head of Christ. It is also that there is in that image a true idea of an outpost, of a piercing through the rock and an entrance into an enemy territory. There is in this buried divinity an idea of undermining the world; of shaking the towers and palaces from below; even as Herod the great king felt that earthquake under him and swayed with his swaying palace.

[0] http://www.worldinvisible.com/library/chesterton/everlasting...

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Rural England? I wish...

My theory is that most people who don’t like Silent Night never got to have a truly silent winter night... which of course requires active snowfall with no wind.

Those of us in the Southern Hemisphere never really got the sleighride thing.

Not when it's 40ºC.

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God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, and Carol of the Bells are my favorites.

Don't forget about Joy To The World. And it'll be 300 years young next year according to wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_to_the_World

The First Noel is thought to date back to the early modern period, which runs from about 1453 to 1789.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Noel

Re: “Silent Night” turns 200

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, and Carol of the Bells are my favorites.

Nice choices! IMO the best Christmas songs have a mix of joy and something.. else. Something a little eerie. Not quite foreboding , exactly, but definitely a bit tense. From a certain perspective, maybe this is theologically correct to have a mix of "Yay Jesus is coming!" and also at the same time "Oh shit, he's coming here?!? " For those from other faith traditions, imagine you hear that your CEO is finally going to…

Ah yeah. O Holy Night is the perfect example. It starts off soft and soothing, then transforms into something that sounds foreboding, and then finishes with something that sounds triumphant. It's marvelous.
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