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Ah, the sweet, sweet sound of victim blaming
Seriously, It's Apple. They must have known.
How should anyone Jane known, based on previous experience being the exact opposite behavior?
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It's more nuanced than that. Nvidia can write the drivers but releasing them without the blessing of Apple blows away any chance of them getting that sweet GPU contract back. Nvidia doesn't have much of a real world application outside of GPUs in enclosures to keep the drivers alive. The reason to keep drivers ready is the potential for a very large contract from Apple.
Word on the street is that Nvidia didn't get much value ($) out of working with Apple, so perhaps both parties aren't super interested. Same story with Nvidia and gaming consoles - last few gens of consoles have not used Nvidia chips and Nvidia doesn't see it as a big loss. The margins must be too low. Nvidia seems to aim for higher margin products these days with scientific computing/data center/deep learning/hardco…
>Nvidia seems to aim for higher margin products these days with scientific computing/data center/deep learning/hardcore gaming.
Which is a problem. No (Real) Games on Mac, No Deep Learning/ Scientific Computing on Mac.
Mac is now left with Programming, and Video / Graphics Editing.
May be Apple's strategy for Mac is to milk it for as long as possible. They don't see it as a platform for growth ( Despite having plenty of room ).
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#23Why you would use an Apple computer in actual "production pipelines" that generate revenue, need upgrading, and use external hardware, is beyond me.
In that article we get to read about entire firms using rendering pipelines that are now useless. While that is a terrible blunder by Apple, I really would ask how the responsible parties thought it a good idea to rely on an ecosystem that they have zero control over and that should have been considered "supported" only in an unofficial sense, no matter what Apple says. Heck, the upgrade even breaks older Apple built machines.
Macs and Apple machines are only production machines "as is". And that means they are only made to be interface/user machines. They don't scale, they don't upgrade and they don't work with external hardware. All decisions by Apple - walled garden, the lack of connectivity and the upgrade policy make this ABUNDENTLY CLEAR.
If Apple technology is a node in a pipeline that isn't entirely Apple (or, even then), and those things can not be replaced by other machines immediately, or kept upgrade&update free, then it's your fault.
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#24Why you would use an Apple computer in actual "production pipelines" that generate revenue, need upgrading, and use external hardware, is beyond me. In that article we get to read about entire firms using rendering pipelines that are now useless. While that is a terrible blunder by Apple, I really would ask how the responsible parties thought it a good idea to rely on an ecosystem that they have zero control over and…
I mean seriously. When you had to start to daisy-chain a curious mix of Thunderbold 3 aftermarket applicances, splitters and adapters to your Mac Pro to "set up your pipeline", because Apple has openly, transparently and clearly demonstrated and communicated its periphery usage policy, it should have become clear that what you are doing is VOLATILE.
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#25New OS doesn't yet have drivers for some cards, got it.
"some cards" meaning the vast majority of discrete cards on the market.
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#26I've never been at the forefront of upgrading my Macbook, and that seems like a wise decision now. Still, increasingly poor versions of OS X present a clear end of the line for my 2011 Macbook Pro.
Some time ago I was forced to upgrade to Sierra, because LinkedIn's website stopped working in Chrome. (I don't use LinkedIn much because it's awful, but a lot of clients find me there.) Turns out LinkedIn felt my version of Chrome was too old to support. But why was Chrome too old? Doesn't it update automatically? Yes, as long as the new version supports your OS, and apparently Chrome had stopped supporting Lion quite some time before. So I had to upgrade, and although I would have preferred to upgrade to Maverick, Apple only offered the option to upgrade to the latest version: Sierra.
If Mojave is such a no-go, upgrading to the version just before Mojave may not be possible, so I might be stuck on Sierra until my Macbook collapses, slowly watching websites drop support.
Obviously my next machine is not going to be Apple. I'm probably going to get a ThinkPad with some version of Linux if I can find a nice one.
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Word on the street is that Nvidia didn't get much value ($) out of working with Apple, so perhaps both parties aren't super interested. Same story with Nvidia and gaming consoles - last few gens of consoles have not used Nvidia chips and Nvidia doesn't see it as a big loss. The margins must be too low. Nvidia seems to aim for higher margin products these days with scientific computing/data center/deep learning/hardco…
>Nvidia seems to aim for higher margin products these days with scientific computing/data center/deep learning/hardcore gaming. Which is a problem. No (Real) Games on Mac, No Deep Learning/ Scientific Computing on Mac. Mac is now left with Programming, and Video / Graphics Editing. May be Apple's strategy for Mac is to milk it for as long as possible. They don't see it as a platform for growth ( Despite having plenty…
It seems to me like Apple has been on the road to slowly abandoning the Mac for quite some time. Newer Macbooks are unpopular, updates to OS X have problems, and on the whole, the platform just doesn't get much love from Apple. They want us all on iOS.
I'll be moving to Linux instead.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Word on the street is that Nvidia didn't get much value ($) out of working with Apple, so perhaps both parties aren't super interested. Same story with Nvidia and gaming consoles - last few gens of consoles have not used Nvidia chips and Nvidia doesn't see it as a big loss. The margins must be too low. Nvidia seems to aim for higher margin products these days with scientific computing/data center/deep learning/hardco…
>Nvidia seems to aim for higher margin products these days with scientific computing/data center/deep learning/hardcore gaming. Which is a problem. No (Real) Games on Mac, No Deep Learning/ Scientific Computing on Mac. Mac is now left with Programming, and Video / Graphics Editing. May be Apple's strategy for Mac is to milk it for as long as possible. They don't see it as a platform for growth ( Despite having plenty…
It's a little funny how stable the desktop ecosystem has been for 10 (or maybe 30?) years.
Mac gaming still sucks, EE/ME/Enterprise engineers use windows. Web devs and Artists use macs. Academics and scientists use Linux.
These ecosystems are so stable now that I don't see it changing.
Granted, it could change, but they would have to really try... And Apple has shown decreasing vision for the Mac platform over time.
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>Nvidia seems to aim for higher margin products these days with scientific computing/data center/deep learning/hardcore gaming. Which is a problem. No (Real) Games on Mac, No Deep Learning/ Scientific Computing on Mac. Mac is now left with Programming, and Video / Graphics Editing. May be Apple's strategy for Mac is to milk it for as long as possible. They don't see it as a platform for growth ( Despite having plenty…
It seems to me like Apple has been on the road to slowly abandoning the Mac for quite some time. Newer Macbooks are unpopular, updates to OS X have problems, and on the whole, the platform just doesn't get much love from Apple. They want us all on iOS. I'll be moving to Linux instead.
I think only apple ally is Adobe. If you want to do pro design or video you need adobe. Adobe will never release on Linux so if you dont want to use privacy killing cloud os like windows 10 then you are left with mac.
Hackintosh is way many people are taking for those reasons.