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The Onion Futures Act

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as an indian, this bit was particularly fascinating: > The bill was unpopular among traders, some of whom argued that onion shortages were not a crucial issue since they were used as a condiment rather than a staple food. in india, onions are so vital a staple that the onion price is a major economic index. see https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/commodities/new... for instance.

Its probably more that the traders are trying to find an argument to block the bill.

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Planet Money podcast a covered this topic a few months ago: https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/10/14/448718171/epis...

Such a good episode! Planet Money is so good that I've worked my way through 10 years of back-episodes over the last year or so, it's one of few podcasts which is worth doing that.

Try Freakonomics if you haven't already. I did the full back catalog on both.

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The other notorious carve-out is box office futures. Read more about the ban here: https://www.theringer.com/movies/2018/11/15/18091620/box-off...

Interesting! I'd never heard of this. It look like their arguments against it are about the same as the arguments against variable pricing for movies -- the price would reflect overall sentiment and influence the viewership. Why would you go see a movie that is only $1. Clearly no one else wants to see it. In the same vein, why would you see a movie with a bunch of shorts on it?

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So I already knew about this from before, but one thing I never understood was instead of banning it outright, why not just put in a rule that says your futures are invalid if you control X percent of the underlying asset?

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as an indian, this bit was particularly fascinating: > The bill was unpopular among traders, some of whom argued that onion shortages were not a crucial issue since they were used as a condiment rather than a staple food. in india, onions are so vital a staple that the onion price is a major economic index. see https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/commodities/new... for instance.

Onions are pretty fundamental to Western cooking as well, but they're not a staple in the sense that people will starve if they're unavailable, the way potatoes or wheat are.

I've always thought staples were the bulk of the energy content in cultures, i.e. rice, bread from wheat/corn/etc, potatoes. I checked anyway, there's a bunch more I hadn't considered!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staple_food

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Laws should have an expiration date. Otherwise in 100 years there will be 1 million laws.

That'd open up an interesting industry where people would be trawling expiring laws looking to exploit them for economic gain.

Perhaps a 'review' date would be more practical!

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"In the 2000s (decade), onion prices were significantly more volatile than corn or oil prices. This volatility led the son of a farmer who initially lobbied for the ban to advocate a return to onion futures trading." This is the important part -- ag futures are insurance for farmers. You don't have to get it, but it limits your downside when you do, which is extremely important in low-margin, capital-intensive indust…

You can squeeze repeals like these into Budget Appropriation Acts to avoid government shutdowns If you want. Better and faster than the popular vote for different representatives, you dont even have to be registered anywhere. The US Federal Government doesnt have single item veto, and Congress wont care to revisit this even if they noticed later.

What on earth does this have to do with the OP's comment?

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post #24

So I already knew about this from before, but one thing I never understood was instead of banning it outright, why not just put in a rule that says your futures are invalid if you control X percent of the underlying asset?

A requirement like that incentivizes people to find a way to work around it and requires enforcers to be able to prove someone did indeed own X percent. It also makes it harder to pursue cabals that collectively corner a market without any entity involved being over the threshold.

In many ways, it's easier enforcement-wise to just ban the thing, especially if you don't think it's actually important to have in the first place.

Re: The Onion Futures Act

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Laws should have an expiration date. Otherwise in 100 years there will be 1 million laws.

That'd open up an interesting industry where people would be trawling expiring laws looking to exploit them for economic gain. Perhaps a 'review' date would be more practical!

As opposed to the current system where people agitate for new laws to exploit them for economic gain!
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