Live data from Hacker News

Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

futureengine.org

21–30 of 488 posts

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#21
post #3

Remind me again why they are allowed to litter all the public sidewalks and street corners with their scooters? Regulation hasn't caught up yet?

Why are cars allowed to litter the public roads and park all over the place, taking up a massive amount of space with mostly empty seats and driven around less than 10% of the time?

This but unironically

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#22
post #16

My guess is that Lime and Bird's latest investors don't actually believe in these insane valuations. Instead, they see these companies as a safe place to park their money due to the limited downside provided by liquid preference terms.

Curious: What kind of preference is normal at this stage?

Fenwick publishes a quarterly survey of market terms for VC rounds. Their Q3 2018 report suggests ~10% of rounds are being done with a liquid pref >1x, and those terms are almost always between 1-2x. Given that these stats are for series A-E rounds, I would expect the liquid pref in these mega rounds to be very close to 1x if not 1x exactly. Source: https://www.fenwick.com/FenwickDocuments/Silicon-Valley-Vent...

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#23

Stand up scooters feel so unstable. Why not just add a seat and allow a seated scooter that’s foldable. The problem with last mile transport is that the laws in many countries need electric bikes to have peddles and peddle assistance. Just let people have a certain power and max speed and they will drop the car and replace it with a powered scooter. Aka, China.

*Pedal.

Some EU countries have already announced that scooters will soon be treated similarly to e-bikes, i.e. max 250W and 25km/h for the ones that don't need registration and plates.

While more expensive and less portable, a bike is a lot safer and more versatile.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#25
post #15
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because people derive value from the service. It's faster than walking, more convenient than an Uber, and doesn't require a car. Let's leave the "get off my lawn" comments off HN.

It's not a "get off my lawn" comment. Regulations about these scooters don't exist in the large majority of places- meaning the default local regulations about illegal dumping apply. Whether people derive value from it or not is not important to local laws. These scooter companies are operating in a grey area; that's a fact. Please don't quickly dismiss discussion about this issue, especially in such an ignorant mann…

Scooters occupy ~5% the space as a car. Dedicating 2-10% of the spots on each block/public lot to bikes/scooters should already be built in as a public service.

If you've ever biked as a mode of transport, even in most US 'bike-friendly' cities, you'll know how few bike racks are available.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are cars allowed to litter the public roads and park all over the place, taking up a massive amount of space with mostly empty seats and driven around less than 10% of the time?

>Why are cars allowed to litter the public roads and park all over the place, taking up a massive amount of space with mostly empty seats and driven around less than 10% of the time? Because car owners pay extra in taxes, specifically to cover the additional costs to society.

The taxes are a drop in the bucket compared to the wasted space, pollution, and clutter.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#27
I live in Baltimore and these things have been awesome. Over the summer and early fall, I used them a lot for trips that were between 3-15 blocks. They were usually less than half the price of a Lyft, were fun to drive, don't directly use fossil fuels and were usually available (in one app or the other) within a block or two of my house. I used them to meet friends for brunch, to pick up my car from getting worked on, to go to bars near my house and to go vote in November.

Now that it's gotten colder, I think my range for using them will contract to something like 2-8 blocks, but I don't think I'll cut off using them entirely. I don't notice them being "piled up" anywhere (except for at a street festival, but lots of people were picking them up too), and I don't think I've ever run into a situation where my path was actively blocked by one.

Baltimore used to have a bike share, but I've heard it's being shut down and even when it was up they had a hard time keeping bikes in all the stalls.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#28
I cannot stand the Limes and Birds around Santa Monica.

I walk out of my apartment, and the streets are littered with them. It's annoying when walking, it's even more annoying when jogging, and riders are constantly riding them (without helmets) on sidewalks even though we have bike lanes. They're even a nuisance when driving.

I'm hoping for some legislation that will ban them -- I might set up a grassroots campaign myself. It's mostly the tourists using them, anyway.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#29
post #24

This article says these scooters make $16/day in revenue?! Where are they making that kind of money? The scooters in my city just sit in the same place for DAYS without moving... I don't buy those numbers at all...

What city?

Santa Barbara and Goleta
Post reply on HN