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Violence Escalates as France Scrambles to Respond to ‘Yellow Vest’ Protesters

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The French government has been raising taxes for years. People have been struggling to make ends meet. Macron comes off as a privileged president that has no clue about what his citizens are going through. Things are going to escalate further if nothing changes.

>struggling to make ends meet

French wages are on average ~8x higher compared to the post 2000 join date EU countries, prices are same across EU.

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The French government has been raising taxes for years. People have been struggling to make ends meet. Macron comes off as a privileged president that has no clue about what his citizens are going through. Things are going to escalate further if nothing changes.

France has high taxes, but at the same time provides more services than other countries: free education including higher education, free healthcare, generous unemployment package, etc. Even more, this is done without closing the door to immigration. Regarding the current movement which started with taxes on gas, the tax raise is insignificant vs. the actual oil price increase. Read this article (in French) for more i…

This is a very idealized version of reality. France also has high unemployment, especially amongst youth and immigrants, migrant camps popping up, civil unrest, many regions where the economy is going to shit and industries are disappearing, etc...

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ELI5: What is the consensus on the disadvantages and advantages of diesel? I've heard conflicting information on this: Some say reducing the number of cows would be much more effective for slowing down global warming. Some say diesel exhaust fumes are not so bad and are unlikely to affect our health very much.

Even if you dont care about global warming, diesel produces smog in cities. DPF and EGR delete is very popular among diesel owners, and rarely policed.

Re: Violence Escalates as France Scrambles to Respond to ‘Yellow Vest’ Protesters

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post #21

The French government has been raising taxes for years. People have been struggling to make ends meet. Macron comes off as a privileged president that has no clue about what his citizens are going through. Things are going to escalate further if nothing changes.

>struggling to make ends meet French wages are on average ~8x higher compared to the post 2000 join date EU countries, prices are same across EU.

Tell that to the millions of retired people and people making minimum wage with less than 1200 euros per month to live with a rent of 600-700 euros.

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"fun" fact: average earner in France can buy ~2K liters of diesel with one months salary, average earner in Poland ~600 liters. Half both numbers for minimum wages. French started this protest over expensive diesel ...

No, the tax on diesel was the final straw on the camel's back. People are poor, struggle to make ends meet, and felt unheard by the politicians; that's why the 2 historic parties completely failed at the last election, people wanted to see actual change. With very little effect, of course. When Macron added yet another reform that penalized those poor slices of population, that was the good moment for everyone to mobilize against a government they feel doesn't care about them.

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France has high taxes, but at the same time provides more services than other countries: free education including higher education, free healthcare, generous unemployment package, etc. Even more, this is done without closing the door to immigration. Regarding the current movement which started with taxes on gas, the tax raise is insignificant vs. the actual oil price increase. Read this article (in French) for more i…

No one gives a fuck about services if you can’t get some bread.

you don't know what you are talking about.

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post #21

The French government has been raising taxes for years. People have been struggling to make ends meet. Macron comes off as a privileged president that has no clue about what his citizens are going through. Things are going to escalate further if nothing changes.

>struggling to make ends meet French wages are on average ~8x higher compared to the post 2000 join date EU countries, prices are same across EU.

Prices aren't the same across EU. There are already different across France. Life is more expensive in Paris than in any other French city for example.

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> Added to that is the reality that many who say they are supportive have not yet come out to demonstrate. While it is possible that this reservoir of supporters will not become activists, if they did the government would be hard put to cope. > ... > Multiple surveys of public opinion released in the past week suggest that 70 percent to 80 percent of French people sympathize with the Yellow Vests’ contention that Pre…

It’s the second Saturday in a row that there are degradation on the Champs Elysées. Today someone even paint a slogan on the Arc de Triomphe. I’m not sure those good sympathetic polls will last long. Some of the yellow vests representatives demand to raise the level and start blocking gas stations. It’s December. One of the month where shops make a good part of their yearly income. I’m not sure a lot of people will c…

> It’s December. One of the month where shops make a good part of their yearly income.

True. But feeling poor during the holidays can be especially painful and frustrating, no?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It already happened in the previous protests at Place de la Republique.. I would not be surprised.

It's a tried and tested strategy that works for any kind of protest anywhere. People are angry and in large groups. It only takes a gentle push to create riots. The people in charge want the riots to happen so they can label their opponents as the lawless mob. You just need to look at who came dressed for riots though. It certainly isn't the yellow jackets.

I know. And if the mob is stubborn and does not want to escalate.. you send some "collaborators" to break the windows or put the fires because everyone knows, the mobs are crazy. I suspect the riot police is down-voting me.. No common sense people would get upset by my post.
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