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Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by kodablah » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 5:15 PM UTC

iondfgnio wrote: post #19

snvzz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Ross Ulbricht, founder of the Silk Road, who is currently serving For running a free market. It's fucked up.

Stop trying to rewrite history. He was convicted of running the market, but the reason the judge threw the book at him is because he tried to have five people killed. >Because it is contested, the Court must make appropriate factual findings if it is to include it. The standard by which I do that is by a preponderance of the evidence. Ulbricht's directed violence here is and relates to the murders for hire which he i…

> Maybe you think judges shouldn't have so much latitude in deciding sentences.

Sure scares me. Why wasn't he tried for the other crimes if his punishment is going to be based on them? This isn't a little difference to take into account when sentencing, these are important crimes on their own deserving a right to trial.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by onetimemanytime » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 5:24 PM UTC

ohithereyou wrote: post #13

onetimemanytime wrote: post #8

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Can I open e free market for contract killers? Lowest bidder and fastest killer would win

Imagine what a mess the assassination insurance industry would be given how much of a mess that the health insurance industry is.

We (most of us) take it for granted but I'm pretty sure quite a few people are scared to death, dead man walking due to drug deals gone bad, extortion, blood feuds, kidnappings and so on. I'm sure super rich people have these conversations, just we discuss finding a cheap apartment.

My view is that if someone wants you dead, it's just a matter or time, or price. Maybe the Pope and POTUS are out of reach, the rest if you can't finish them with a handgun you can with an Ar-15.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by dragonwriter » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 5:25 PM UTC

jstanley wrote: post #16

dragonwriter wrote: post #14

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> He was never charged with that It was explicitly a sentencing factor; the way federal criminal sentencing guidelines work, the charge sets the outer bound of punishment and influences the sentencing calculation, but other sentencing factors play a significant, often overwhelming, role in determining the actual sentence, so it's not at all inaccurate to say that a person is serving time for all of the things weighed…

I just tried to look this up and couldn't find a source that the alleged murder-for-hire was included in his sentencing. All I found was: > On the last day of trial, Serrin Turner, the NY lead prosecutor, addressed the jury and stated that none of the six contracted murders-for-hire allegations occurred. from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht It seems like it would be unlikely to take the murder-for-hire al…

Wikipedia is a tertiary source; fact claims in it come in two forms:

(1) Ones that cite no other source and should be viewed as extremely unreliable, and

(2) Ones that cite some other source, which should be reviewed and evaluated to assess the claim.

The one you point to is in the latter category, and cites as it's support a Guardian article which describes be prosecutor not as claiming that the six attempts to procure murders for hire had not occurred, but that he did not believe any of the murders Ulbricht had attempted to procure had occurred.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by onetimemanytime » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 5:27 PM UTC

andai wrote: post #20

onetimemanytime wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I open e free market for contract killers? Lowest bidder and fastest killer would win

Word on the street is, there is a darknet site where you can bet money on what day someone's going to be assassinated. That way, a "volunteer" can bet on the correct day.

Or you can short the stock related to the person about to have a bad day, but that leaves a trail unless done carefully. Even if done carefully, too many people know the secret. At least two, or one more

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by yellowapple » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 5:29 PM UTC

onetimemanytime wrote: post #22

ohithereyou wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine what a mess the assassination insurance industry would be given how much of a mess that the health insurance industry is.

We (most of us) take it for granted but I'm pretty sure quite a few people are scared to death, dead man walking due to drug deals gone bad, extortion, blood feuds, kidnappings and so on. I'm sure super rich people have these conversations, just we discuss finding a cheap apartment. My view is that if someone wants you dead, it's just a matter or time, or price. Maybe the Pope and POTUS are out of reach, the rest if…

"Maybe the Pope and POTUS are out of reach"

John F. Kennedy would like a word.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by plussed_reader » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 5:30 PM UTC

kodablah wrote: post #21

iondfgnio wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop trying to rewrite history. He was convicted of running the market, but the reason the judge threw the book at him is because he tried to have five people killed. >Because it is contested, the Court must make appropriate factual findings if it is to include it. The standard by which I do that is by a preponderance of the evidence. Ulbricht's directed violence here is and relates to the murders for hire which he i…

> Maybe you think judges shouldn't have so much latitude in deciding sentences. Sure scares me. Why wasn't he tried for the other crimes if his punishment is going to be based on them? This isn't a little difference to take into account when sentencing, these are important crimes on their own deserving a right to trial.

Because you take them down how you can; in a similar light how Capone was taken down on taxes and not murder, corruption, smuggling, or conspiracy.

Or are all purveyors of the 'free market' automatically heroes in your eyes?

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by onetimemanytime » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 5:36 PM UTC

iondfgnio wrote: post #19

snvzz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Ross Ulbricht, founder of the Silk Road, who is currently serving For running a free market. It's fucked up.

Stop trying to rewrite history. He was convicted of running the market, but the reason the judge threw the book at him is because he tried to have five people killed. >Because it is contested, the Court must make appropriate factual findings if it is to include it. The standard by which I do that is by a preponderance of the evidence. Ulbricht's directed violence here is and relates to the murders for hire which he i…

The problem is that what he did /was proven amounted to a life sentence and the judge could have given him that.

Honestly I don't think judges should sentence based on what was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It is was so clear, why wasn't he charged for it?

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by onetimemanytime » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 5:40 PM UTC

yellowapple wrote: post #25

onetimemanytime wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We (most of us) take it for granted but I'm pretty sure quite a few people are scared to death, dead man walking due to drug deals gone bad, extortion, blood feuds, kidnappings and so on. I'm sure super rich people have these conversations, just we discuss finding a cheap apartment. My view is that if someone wants you dead, it's just a matter or time, or price. Maybe the Pope and POTUS are out of reach, the rest if…

"Maybe the Pope and POTUS are out of reach" John F. Kennedy would like a word.

As soon ans I'm done talking to Abraham Lincoln :)

Now they shut entire cities

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by miles_bytes81 » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 5:40 PM UTC

I love Tor and use it often (also collaborated with code and nodes). But the problem lately is that all sites are banning it. Even HN, gives you trouble when connecting through Tor.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Post by kodablah » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 5:48 PM UTC

plussed_reader wrote: post #26

kodablah wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe you think judges shouldn't have so much latitude in deciding sentences. Sure scares me. Why wasn't he tried for the other crimes if his punishment is going to be based on them? This isn't a little difference to take into account when sentencing, these are important crimes on their own deserving a right to trial.

Because you take them down how you can; in a similar light how Capone was taken down on taxes and not murder, corruption, smuggling, or conspiracy. Or are all purveyors of the 'free market' automatically heroes in your eyes?

> Or are all purveyors of the 'free market' automatically heroes in your eyes?

No, I don't even like the guy. Why must I consider someone a hero to feel they deserve a trial for their punished actions?