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U.S. Life Expectancy Falls Further

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Can someone explain the link of the lowered life expectancy to flu and pneumonia? I thought that these were deceases that were only fatal for people with compromised immunity.

Flu and especially pneumonia can be deadly to anyone just a lot less likely. Since the seasonal flu variate in intensity appended with off-season flu's added to the death rate from this kind of diseases. Just a hypotheses though, nothing concrete.

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post #20

(On edit: below comment is retracted. At least for 2015 to 2016, the decline is not attributable to Simpson's paradox. See Table 4 in the CDC report linked below.) This is either incompetence or maliciousness on behalf of the CDC, WSJ, or both. Life expectancy in the US is falling, but it's only falling due to Simpson's Paradox [1]. The CDC's own data [2] shows life expectancy increasing for all genders and races exc…

From the document you posted:

since 1990. • In 2016 compared with 2015, life expectancy decreased for non-Hispanic white males (0.2 year), non-Hispanic black males (0.4), non-Hispanic black females (0.2), Hispanic males (0.2), and Hispanic females (0.1). Life expectancy for non-Hispanic white females remained unchanged

So, no, it's not just Simpson's paradox.

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#24
post #9

I think we've reached the point of diminishing marginal returns to health care spending. That means when we spend more money on healthcare as a percent of GDP, life expectancy starts to fall. We are already at 16% of GDP spent on healthcare. That's double the amount that any other country spends on healthcare. We also have worse life expectancy vs. countries that spend much less as a percent of GDP than we do. One of…

That's an odd causal link to draw. For all we know, the increase in healthcare spending is what has caused the life expectancy to fall less than it otherwise would have.

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post #9

I think we've reached the point of diminishing marginal returns to health care spending. That means when we spend more money on healthcare as a percent of GDP, life expectancy starts to fall. We are already at 16% of GDP spent on healthcare. That's double the amount that any other country spends on healthcare. We also have worse life expectancy vs. countries that spend much less as a percent of GDP than we do. One of…

The United States is a unique outlier due to its special healthcare structure: https://ourworldindata.org/the-link-between-life-expectancy-...

I think a better conclusion would be that life expectancy can be hardly increased with further spending in the current healthcare system.

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post #8

Can someone explain the link of the lowered life expectancy to flu and pneumonia? I thought that these were deceases that were only fatal for people with compromised immunity.

Wow, maybe (not being sarcastic) eating a monocultured food diet and living as sedate humans in sterile environments has a bigger effect on our immune systems than we'd like. This must have been measured? Compare immunity in farmers vs office workers or some such?

I think you underestimate the amount of bad health environments there are in cities (anecdotal evidence only). I would not call most cities or working environments anywhere close to sterile.

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#27
post #20

(On edit: below comment is retracted. At least for 2015 to 2016, the decline is not attributable to Simpson's paradox. See Table 4 in the CDC report linked below.) This is either incompetence or maliciousness on behalf of the CDC, WSJ, or both. Life expectancy in the US is falling, but it's only falling due to Simpson's Paradox [1]. The CDC's own data [2] shows life expectancy increasing for all genders and races exc…

How does that compare to other countries with changing racial composition? What has happened to black men to cause their life expectancy to fall?

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#28
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, maybe (not being sarcastic) eating a monocultured food diet and living as sedate humans in sterile environments has a bigger effect on our immune systems than we'd like. This must have been measured? Compare immunity in farmers vs office workers or some such?

I think you underestimate the amount of bad health environments there are in cities (anecdotal evidence only). I would not call most cities or working environments anywhere close to sterile.

Nor anything close to a spoonful of soil on the bank of a pond outside a city?

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#29
The opioid epidemic is an amazing example of human psychology and the power of a visual. More people die from it every year than Vietnam, yet there's been no large public outcry to resolve the situation because it isn't right in your face like a 9/11 or pearl harbor. Even ignoring the human impact and just going to economics, those lost lives will cost the US billions in lost productivity over time, yet nobody really cares.

Honestly, somebody should make a Kony2012 style video about it. It was a sham but I can still remember how viral that thing went, because it hit all the buttons of human psychology.

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#30

It’s remarkable how much of the article narrates a tale of opioids and suicide, whereas the obvious elephant in the room seems the be the poor, or lack thereof of a public health care system.

Um, the article specifically mentioned that

>the drug and suicide deaths account for many years of life lost because they occur mostly in young to middle-aged adults.

Hence their large effect on life expectancy.

Of course healthcare effects life expectancy but the net effect on overall life expectancy has been small because half-assed legislation has ensured that recent gains for the poor and sick have come at the expense of the middle class and healthy.

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